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  What is the latest trend in jw land

  by bola in

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  i want to know the latest trend in jw land.

  after i have disassociated from jw land last year, now my father has forced me to write a reinstatement letter.

  and i will soon be reinstated back very soon because those cult elders will meet with me.

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  pale.emperor

  Being self employed as a Gardiner, Window Cleaner or Car Valet for men, or Nail Technician for the women.
  
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  JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here

  by pale.emperor in

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  2. beliefs

  hi guys.

  sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.

  just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.

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  The following is from http://www.clayjones.net/2010/08/a-question-the-jehovah%E2%80%99s-witnesses-can%E2%80%99t-answer/
  

  Christian: Let me ask you only one question and after you answer it, I’ll answer any question you want. First I need to clarify a few things. In the New World Translation, John 1:1 reads: “In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.” Then in Isaiah 9:6 (NWT) we read: “For there has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.” So then, does Jehovah equal almighty God?

  JW: Yes.

  C: Now Jesus isn’t Jehovah, right?

  JW: That’s right.

  C: Jesus equals a Mighty God?

  JW: That is correct.

  C: Is Jehovah a true God or a false God?

  JW: Jehovah is a true God.

  C: Is Jesus a true God or a false God?

  JW: Jesus is a true God.

  C: Okay, here’s my question: How can you believe there are two true Gods when the Bible says there is only one God? After all, it says in Isaiah 43:10-11 (NWT), “Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.” And Isa: 44:6 (NWT) says: “I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God.”

  JW: That passage is teaching that there are no capital “G” gods.

  C: Hebrew doesn’t have capital letters so the capitalization of the “G” in those passages is an insertion by the NW translators to make us believe there are two categories of gods. It is equivalent to their just inserting the word “almighty” in the text. If the Lord had wanted to proclaim that “besides me there is no Almighty God” instead of what it really says, “beside me there is no god,” He could easily have had Isaiah insert the word “Almighty” in those passages. But He didn’t.

  JW: Well, we only worship one God.

  C: If I only loved one wife but was married to two women, I would still be a polygamist and your believing there are two true Gods even though you only worship one of them still makes you a polytheist. The Bible says there is only one God.

  JW: But the Bible calls Satan a God.

  C: Is Satan a true God or a false God?

  JW: A false God.

  C: You still have two true Gods.

  JW: But in Ex. 4:16 (NWT) it says that Moses “will serve as God to him [Pharaoh].”

  C: It says Moses will serve “as God.” In other translations of this verse it says Moses will be “like God” to him. Do you see a difference between serving “as” God or “like” God and really being a god? For example, if I said an older woman was “as a mother to me” it wouldn’t mean that I actually came out of her womb, right? Do you see the difference?”

  JW: But the word “God” is just a title that can be used for those on the side of God.

  C: Then there would be lots of true Gods, but John 17:3 (NWT) says “This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.” If that’s true, how could you say that Jesus is a true God?

  JW: As I said, we only worship one God.

  C: But I’m not asking about how many Gods you worship, I’m asking about how many Gods you think are true. Can you think of a time when someone says that ‘X’ is the ‘only true’ ‘X’ that it doesn’t make everything else in that category false? If there God is the ‘only true’ God then any other god must be a false god, but you have already said that Jehovah and Jesus are both true Gods and that makes… count them… two true Gods.

  JW: 1 Cor. 8:4-6 says “…there is no God but one. For even though there are those who are called ‘gods,’ whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many ‘gods’ and many ‘lords,’ there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.” See, the Father is God, not Jesus.

  C: But you’ve already agreed there are two true Gods and this passage says there is only one God.

  JW: You’re talking about the Trinity.

  C: No, I’m pointing out that Jehovah’s Witnesses are polytheists who believe there is more than one true God, even though the Bible tells us there is only one true God.

  JW: We didn’t come here to argue. [What?]

  C: Okay, well, if you want to bring someone back, I’ll be glad to talk with them. [That hasn’t happened yet.]
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  Question for SBF

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
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  slimboyfat, it appears that wts is going, gone digital.

  can you show your view what is wts next move after they are completely gone from kings county and settled in warwick?

  - this thread is your if you want it..

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  pale.emperor

  A splinter group will form. Within "our generation" (pun intended).
  

  Im guessing Tony Tightpants will be a catalyst in this, either the rank and file will get fed up with him or he'll be the one to cause the schism.

  The next generation of GB will be worse than these and i expect whatever Watchtower 2.0 morphs into will be worse than this.

  Watch this space.
  
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  Waking up to TTATT: Blessing or Curse?

  by Jules Saturn in

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  2. experiences

  if you take the red pill, you'll have knowledge, you'll be awakened, aware of reality, you'll have freedom.. if you take the blue pill, you stay in your bubble, wearing rose colored glasses, and feel security in an illusion.. taking the red pill isn't something that's easy to do.

  to accept that everything around you is an illusion built up on lies or half truths.

  but hey, it might feel good to be aware and break free from this illusion.

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  pale.emperor

  I remember one of my first posts on here called "Feeling sad after learning the truth about the truth".

  I was miserable as JW. I was raised in it, my entire family were JWs, parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, nieces, nephews, cousins... everyone. Yet i was very much alone. I had no friends because i just wast into this "fake joy" they're all doing. I was the only one that openly acknowledge that the door to door ministry is a drudge, a bore, a waste of time. No one seemed to be on my level even when i was a 100% devoted believer.

  I will always want the truth. No matter how painful, how hard or how sad. And i think it's important to always test to see if what you have is actually true. If more evidence and facts come to light investigate them. Dont ignore them.
  
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  JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys.

  sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.

  just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.

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  Why did the anointed remnant at one time think they were the faithful and discreet slave?
  
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  An unusual question

  by no-zombie in

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  i have an unusual question.. and it is ... who actually owns and runs this site?.

  with no ads ... how does it keep going?.

  no-zombie.

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  pale.emperor

  Simon runs the site. Im bombarded with my last ebay searches on the right hand column and a FREE* bible offer at the top of the page.
  
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  A "Three-fold cord"?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all know of the well used scripture that speaks of "a three-fold cord" in marriage.. sure, it is meant to indicate that any marriage that has "god" in it as the foundation of the couple's life will be successful.

  but how often have we noticed that what it really means for witnesses is that the society, or the gb has the right to be an unwelcome and nosey intruder in the lives of couples.

  every decision that family unit makes is influenced by the organisation.

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  pale.emperor

  I thought this shortly after i got married and noticed how the elders would take an unwelcome interest in whatever my then-wife or i were doing.

  It's not normal. It's very much a cult giving themselves permission to override whatever it is you want to do.
  
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  JW Stumper Questions - List You Best Here

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys.

  sooner or later we're going to get a jw knocking on our door.

  just like when we were jw's doing the knocking, it's good to have a question prepared to get them thinking about their own beliefs.

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  pale.emperor

  If Jesus, after examining all religions on earth, chose the Watchtower Society in 1919 and declared it clean. Then inst any "new light" since then actually... apostasy? Who are these men to refine something Jesus himself called clean?
  
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  Help! Mike & Kim videos all being deleted by Youtube

  by mrmagic in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  due to watchtower flagging the mike & kim videos on youtube for copyright, youtube is giving them 6 days before they are shutting down their entire youtube channel.

  can you help with a mass downloading program and then reuploading them on a mirror ?

  would hate to lose all those good videos!

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  pale.emperor

  As i've said earlier, i cant sit through a single one of their videos. BUT they could just do their videos without including JW videos cant they? Lloyd Evans has managed to include videos and stay active citing its for the purpose of "criticism and/or parody".

  The few videos that i've done are just me talking to the camera and occasionally including book/magazine facsimiles on screen or audio recordings of talks. So far the worst i get is JWs telling me im going to die in armageddon. No Watchtower interference so far.
  
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  Elders meet with Pioneers & Missionaries Dec 2017- Jan 2018

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  elders meet with regular pioneers, special pioneers, and field missionaries program for december 2017 through january 2018 s-211-18-e 9/17.

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  pale.emperor

  Oh dear.

  Let's not look at the thing we left behind? Thankfully i never pioneered (except for the waste of time campaigns before the conventions) but the young brothers who did pioneer all worked for a JW gardener who worked them like slaves. Im sure they'll be in this meeting evaluating how their life has panned out. 25yo, minimum wage, getting barked at by a JW elder at work, slogging that ministry bag around in all weathers while your peers are going out, having fun, meeting people and enjoying their youth.

  Cant wait for this house of cards called JW.borg to collapse.