i've uploaded the first of many of jf rutherfords door to door records onto youtube.
i'll be uploading more over the next few days.. i thought it appropriate to make the first one "religion is a snare and a racket".. you can listen to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgb25yii74w&feature=youtu.be.
ironically, jw's today freely refer to their beliefs as "religion".
I've uploaded the first of many of JF Rutherfords door to door records onto YouTube. I'll be uploading more over the next few days.
I thought it appropriate to make the first one "Religion Is A Snare And A Racket".
You can listen to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGB25yii74w&feature=youtu.be
Ironically, JW's today freely refer to their beliefs as "religion". Whats up with that?
september 21, 2016 to all congregations re: global assistance arrangement for the 2017 service year.
ps to bodies of elders:.
this postscript should not be read to the congregation, and this letter should not be placed on the noticeboard.
Money, money, money... how about a letter asking what members are struggling with so they can publish helpful articles in their next mag?
i'm wondering if the borg actually studied mind control and coercion tactics deliberately or wether they just evolved over time through trial and error.
from reading steve hassans books, studying hypnosis and methods psychopaths use it all seems very complex.
like it would never occur to me to do a, b and c in the right order at the right time in order to get control of someone or control their lives.. for example, repetition of words (the word "loyalty" was a big one in the last convention), using loaded language, encouraging people not to trust their own thoughts, restricting their information, demonising those who leave etc.
It seems to be when Rutherford got his greedy hands on it when it became a cult. Russel I can forgive, lots of crack-pot doomsday sects popped up around that time. Rutherford saw potential and turned it into a real cult I think.
i'm wondering if the borg actually studied mind control and coercion tactics deliberately or wether they just evolved over time through trial and error.
from reading steve hassans books, studying hypnosis and methods psychopaths use it all seems very complex.
like it would never occur to me to do a, b and c in the right order at the right time in order to get control of someone or control their lives.. for example, repetition of words (the word "loyalty" was a big one in the last convention), using loaded language, encouraging people not to trust their own thoughts, restricting their information, demonising those who leave etc.
I'm wondering if the bOrg actually studied mind control and coercion tactics deliberately or wether they just evolved over time through trial and error. What do you think?
From reading Steve Hassans books, studying hypnosis and methods psychopaths use it all seems very complex. Like it would never occur to me to do A, B and C in the right order at the right time in order to get control of someone or control their lives.
For example, repetition of words (the word "loyalty" was a big one in the last convention), using loaded language, encouraging people not to trust their own thoughts, restricting their information, demonising those who leave etc. There's people who go to college to study influence methods (salesmen, politicians). Do you think there's a GB guide list?
http://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/11227290.plans_for_huge_jehovah_s_hq_take_shape/.
its going to be a real beautiful place when its finished.. they are going for quality over quantity.
it used to be accommodation for a few thousand permanent residents, now its looking like less than a thousand permanent with the possibility of a few thousand more in temporary accommodation should the need arise.. some say the plans are going to be like a garden of eden in england :) i mean they had farming in london over the years but this is going to be epic what they are planning for temple farm at chelmsford.. they are planting thousands (literally) of fruit trees, including tropical fruits in huge green houses, huge vines yards and then the same basic farming activities as before.
So it's built on the donations of millions of rank and file witnesses who arnt allowed to enjoy it's facilities and can only see it if they book and tour and get watched at all times?
You can only gain entry to the compound on the invite of one of the Bethelites or if you book a tour, then you will be recorded and given an electronic badge which you have to keep with you at all times. Each badge has a locator on it and everybody will be tracked 100% of the time, if anybody is found without the locator badge there will be an investigation and all activities will be recorded by the hundreds of high end HD cameras everywhere.
North Korea's tourism are doing the exact same thing. http://www.newkoreatours.com/north_korea_travel_rules.html
They (tourists) are under very strict regulations as to what they can and cannot do and this is not negotiable. For example; you are not free to wander around on your own...
In the DPRK you will be under close scrutiny from the guides and security.
Leaving the hotel without the guides or the guides' express permission is not possible.
i will start this o.p by a review of the mental conditioni i find many former or current witnesses at when they join the board :-.
1. broken relationships.. 2. lonliness/ depression.
3. guilt / shame .
I dont know where i'd be without this site. Im a regular visitor. No one else would understand what we're going through and we can use JW loaded phrases without having to translate them to layman terms like we have to when speaking to "worldly" people.
I've learned so much and seen so much evidence - which is more than the Watchtower ever did.
my friends,.
what has become now a yearly tradition for me: getting the videos/photos of the flag in chile for their national holidays.. this is the 2016 version, i believe the clearest example yet:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b94j3lmqx_w&feature=youtu.be.
Hang on, hang on... so that brother in the convention video who refused to play the Soviet national anthem on his violin COULD have all along? And he went to prison for not doing it?
Unbelievable.
luke 21:11 says:there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences;+ and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.
but verse 12 says:but before all these things happen, people will lay their hands on you and persecute you,+ handing you over to the synagogues and prisons.
you will be brought before kings and governors for the sake of my name.
I knew there were accusations against witnesses for covering up child abuse but knew nothing about it. Dismissed it all as apostate lies. I remember my father in law coming back from an elders meeting in a bad mood and randomly said to us all "whenever there's an accusation of child abuse it's always the same - we call the police". Of corse now i know that's not true.
Im positive that 99% of rank and file witnesses know absolutely nothing about the child abuse accusations or why those accusations were made. It's sad really. And dangerous. Only last month my ex wife said to me "people need to be disfellowshipped - otherwise we'd be like the Catholic church where they have pedophile priests and just move them on". I calmly tried to tell her that the same thing goes on with the JW's and she kind of gave me a blank stare. Then i felt bad, like i've just ruined her perfect picture of her religion.
reading konceptual's account of talking to cart 'witnesses' and it reminded me that when we left in '89 we thought the religion would do one of two things.
get more hardline, consequently lose members and eventually come to an end in some way.
or ease up on the members, fewer rules, less fs time, less meetings, just to keep them in.. all the recent apostate stuff, treatment of dfed kids and the hardline attitude to people who leave or try to fade has confused me, made me think they are harder on the r+f., but i don't think this is true.
I remember back in 2005 or 2006 there was a website that you could print out the scriptures for the meetings. They (whoever they are) had a fit and told us not to use it because we needed to look stuff up in the Bible. Do they even still use Bibles or is it all on the tablet now?
I remember that. I also remember when tablets first became widely used there was an announcement that it's ok to use them but not on the platform. That law has gone too. One elder in my old congregation was even giving those in the pioneer school printouts of all the scriptures and references from JW books to save them time.
in my old congregation there are two brothers (non related) who are in the early 30s.
they've never dated girls.
they're "best friends".
"What were the two guys' names? Patrick Fitzwilliam and William Fitzpatrick?"
Den Dover and Phil McKavity
