i'm hoping for help in finding a starting point, somewhere to direct my husband.
i brought up a little bit about the arc spoken of so widely here on the forum.
i just gave him a bit of a hint a few days ago, and he wanted to hear nothing of it - the old you can't believe everything you read.
Those videos were the final nail in the coffin for me. I had this idea of GB members being bible experts, bold, having scriptural answers for any accusation thrown at them. What i saw was a man squirming in his seat, using half truths and blatant lies. If any JW's saw this they'd be stumbled.
Unfortunately most of them wont. Even watching their beloved GB member in a court case would amount to "apostasy" because it portrays them in a bad light.
Who's bringing reproach on Jehovah now Mr Jackson?
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Remember as a kid the elation you'd feel if the visiting speaker on a Sunday failed to turn up and you'd (sometimes) get to go home early? I imagine that what Christmas must feel like :)
i'm wondering if the borg actually studied mind control and coercion tactics deliberately or wether they just evolved over time through trial and error.
from reading steve hassans books, studying hypnosis and methods psychopaths use it all seems very complex.
like it would never occur to me to do a, b and c in the right order at the right time in order to get control of someone or control their lives.. for example, repetition of words (the word "loyalty" was a big one in the last convention), using loaded language, encouraging people not to trust their own thoughts, restricting their information, demonising those who leave etc.
They will even say that the members minds are washed clean of the satanic filth of the world.
My brother in law said this to me in the middle of a rant because i was leaving the bOrg "you think we're brainwashed? Well good! I want my brain washed from all the evil in the world. The Organisation has washed my brain of badness."
Cant really reason with that sort of stupidity can you?
i'm wondering if the borg actually studied mind control and coercion tactics deliberately or wether they just evolved over time through trial and error.
from reading steve hassans books, studying hypnosis and methods psychopaths use it all seems very complex.
like it would never occur to me to do a, b and c in the right order at the right time in order to get control of someone or control their lives.. for example, repetition of words (the word "loyalty" was a big one in the last convention), using loaded language, encouraging people not to trust their own thoughts, restricting their information, demonising those who leave etc.
Watch the master at work:
i've uploaded the first of many of jf rutherfords door to door records onto youtube.
i'll be uploading more over the next few days.. i thought it appropriate to make the first one "religion is a snare and a racket".. you can listen to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgb25yii74w&feature=youtu.be.
ironically, jw's today freely refer to their beliefs as "religion".
I've uploaded the first of many of JF Rutherfords door to door records onto YouTube. I'll be uploading more over the next few days.
I thought it appropriate to make the first one "Religion Is A Snare And A Racket".
You can listen to it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGB25yii74w&feature=youtu.be
Ironically, JW's today freely refer to their beliefs as "religion". Whats up with that?
september 21, 2016 to all congregations re: global assistance arrangement for the 2017 service year.
ps to bodies of elders:.
this postscript should not be read to the congregation, and this letter should not be placed on the noticeboard.
Money, money, money... how about a letter asking what members are struggling with so they can publish helpful articles in their next mag?
i'm wondering if the borg actually studied mind control and coercion tactics deliberately or wether they just evolved over time through trial and error.
from reading steve hassans books, studying hypnosis and methods psychopaths use it all seems very complex.
like it would never occur to me to do a, b and c in the right order at the right time in order to get control of someone or control their lives.. for example, repetition of words (the word "loyalty" was a big one in the last convention), using loaded language, encouraging people not to trust their own thoughts, restricting their information, demonising those who leave etc.
It seems to be when Rutherford got his greedy hands on it when it became a cult. Russel I can forgive, lots of crack-pot doomsday sects popped up around that time. Rutherford saw potential and turned it into a real cult I think.
i'm wondering if the borg actually studied mind control and coercion tactics deliberately or wether they just evolved over time through trial and error.
from reading steve hassans books, studying hypnosis and methods psychopaths use it all seems very complex.
like it would never occur to me to do a, b and c in the right order at the right time in order to get control of someone or control their lives.. for example, repetition of words (the word "loyalty" was a big one in the last convention), using loaded language, encouraging people not to trust their own thoughts, restricting their information, demonising those who leave etc.
I'm wondering if the bOrg actually studied mind control and coercion tactics deliberately or wether they just evolved over time through trial and error. What do you think?
From reading Steve Hassans books, studying hypnosis and methods psychopaths use it all seems very complex. Like it would never occur to me to do A, B and C in the right order at the right time in order to get control of someone or control their lives.
For example, repetition of words (the word "loyalty" was a big one in the last convention), using loaded language, encouraging people not to trust their own thoughts, restricting their information, demonising those who leave etc. There's people who go to college to study influence methods (salesmen, politicians). Do you think there's a GB guide list?
http://www.chelmsfordweeklynews.co.uk/news/11227290.plans_for_huge_jehovah_s_hq_take_shape/.
its going to be a real beautiful place when its finished.. they are going for quality over quantity.
it used to be accommodation for a few thousand permanent residents, now its looking like less than a thousand permanent with the possibility of a few thousand more in temporary accommodation should the need arise.. some say the plans are going to be like a garden of eden in england :) i mean they had farming in london over the years but this is going to be epic what they are planning for temple farm at chelmsford.. they are planting thousands (literally) of fruit trees, including tropical fruits in huge green houses, huge vines yards and then the same basic farming activities as before.
So it's built on the donations of millions of rank and file witnesses who arnt allowed to enjoy it's facilities and can only see it if they book and tour and get watched at all times?
You can only gain entry to the compound on the invite of one of the Bethelites or if you book a tour, then you will be recorded and given an electronic badge which you have to keep with you at all times. Each badge has a locator on it and everybody will be tracked 100% of the time, if anybody is found without the locator badge there will be an investigation and all activities will be recorded by the hundreds of high end HD cameras everywhere.
North Korea's tourism are doing the exact same thing. http://www.newkoreatours.com/north_korea_travel_rules.html
They (tourists) are under very strict regulations as to what they can and cannot do and this is not negotiable. For example; you are not free to wander around on your own...
In the DPRK you will be under close scrutiny from the guides and security.
Leaving the hotel without the guides or the guides' express permission is not possible.
i will start this o.p by a review of the mental conditioni i find many former or current witnesses at when they join the board :-.
1. broken relationships.. 2. lonliness/ depression.
3. guilt / shame .
I dont know where i'd be without this site. Im a regular visitor. No one else would understand what we're going through and we can use JW loaded phrases without having to translate them to layman terms like we have to when speaking to "worldly" people.
I've learned so much and seen so much evidence - which is more than the Watchtower ever did.
