Posts by pale.emperor

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Reasoned With A JW Yesterday

by pale.emperor in

had a great chat with a jw on my door yesterday.

girl 1: .... i dont think you would.

me: ________, and say hi to my uncle ________ for me.. girl 1: i will.

pale.emperor

Interesting that she had her phone turned on out witnessing. Or was it on silent?

Even when i was in it was becoming acceptable to have your phone on. The elder in charge can round them up or ask where they are etc.

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Reasoned With A JW Yesterday

by pale.emperor in

had a great chat with a jw on my door yesterday.

girl 1: .... i dont think you would.

me: ________, and say hi to my uncle ________ for me.. girl 1: i will.

Had a great chat with a JW on my door yesterday. Since i left the cult i moved house and my old congregation dont know my address. A pretty girl about my age and her cronie, another pretty girl knocked on my door yesterday in the rain.

I was very pleasant and let them do their introduction "what is God's Kingdom?" then instead of answering the question i said "Hang on, step under the shelter here (my door has a shelter over the front door), why are you out in this terrible weather?"

Girl 1: Ha, we go out in all weather.

Me: Oh i remember when i was a witness i had to go out in the snow, i was working with the C.O. and everybody else had gone home.

Girl 1 and 2 recoiled and their smiles disappeared.

Girl 1: You used to be a witness?

Me: Yes, i was raised one, baptized at 19, pioneer at 23, left about a year ago.

Girl 2: You wernt disfellowshipped were you?

Me: Actually, i disassociated. Then was called to the KH to speak to the elders, which turned out to be a JC where i was actually DF'd, yes.

Awkward silence. Girl 1 puts her literature away. I sense they're about to leave.

Me: I love you people though. It takes a lot to go door to door, especially in inclement weather like this. Which hall do you go to.

Girl 1 and 2: ______ congregation.

Me: Oh, my uncle's in that one. _____ __________

Girl 1: Oh! He's your uncle?

Me: Yes. Is he still placing 80 mags a month?

Girl 1: Yes.

Me: He posts them through the letter box of not-homes though, so it doesnt count.

Girl 2: haha yes, we know.

Girl 1: So why did you leave?

Me: erm... it was a number of things. First thing was, i felt it had become overly bureaucratic. So many rules, and it took the joy out of it. Then i read some of the older publications by Rutherford, which are very different to what JW's teach now. And not one single word he ever written is ever mentioned in current publications.

Girl 1: Did you go on apostate sites?

Me: I researched outside JW.org, yes. JWFacts.com is an excellent honest resource. It's written by a former elder and backs up everything with the societies own publications.

Girl 2: My dad had doubts a few years ago. He even stopped going to meetings. He said when he visited apostate sites they were all obvious lies and they're written by bitter people.

Me: Thats not true. If he really did visit apostate sites he cant have been on JWFacts, because the tone of that site, and almost all ex-Witnesses i've met is not one of bitterness. It's one of concern that JW's arnt being told the whole truth.

Girl 1: But surely before becoming a witness you researched didnt you?

Me: You know as well as i do that you're only allowed to research using society approved publications.

Girl 1: Yes because other sites will knock your faith.

Me: Imagine living in 1400s. Everyone believes the world is flat. Someone comes along and says the earth is round and has proof. Wouldnt it be stupid to say "dont look at his evidence, only read books that say the world is flat"? I was in search of truth. That means i have to prove every other idea wrong. That way i'd have no doubt whatsoever that i have the truth. If more evidence comes to light for anything i'll go where the evidence goes.

Girl 1: So do we.

Me: The evidence shows that your governing body has made many many changes since the time we were born.

Girl 2: Yes because the light gets brighter...

Me: But it hasnt has it? It's not clearer, it's a 180 degree turn, or sometimes going back to previously held ideas

Girl 2: Men can make mistakes, it's not their fault. God uses imperfect men.

Me: That's true. But did Moses ever get it wrong? Elijah? The apostles? If these are not inspired nor infallable, then is their opinion worth any more than yours or mine?

Girl 2: Jesus trusts the FDS.

Me: How do you know? In fact, how would you know if you were in a cult?

Girl 1: .... i dont think you would. Unless someone shown you.

Me: That's right. I joined a religion that i sincerely believed was the truth. The truth doesnt change. But this has. In fact, if i told my late father the teachings JW's have now since he was alive he'd call it apostacy. Because the teachings are different. Cult's do this. They have a monopoly on truth and have shunning for those that leave for any reason and demonize the reputation of those that leave... saying things like "they're bitter" or "they tell lies". (i looked at girl 2 when i said this). So see for yourself if they're lies.

Girl 1: What website did you say you researched on?

Me: JWFacts.com if you go on there, read what it has to say and still believe JW's have the truth then that's fine. I just want you both to have the facts presented to you. Because if it isnt the truth then you're wasting your time.

Girl 2's phone rang and a car pulled up at the corner of the street. I think it was their ride.

Me: Well it was nice meeting you both. Call back if you want, im in every Saturday morning with my daughter.

Girl 1: Thanks. What's your name?

Me: ________, and say hi to my uncle ________ for me.

Girl 1: I will. Bye!

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Does Anyone Know The "Real" Attitude That JWs Have Towards "Inactive Ones"?

by minimus in

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does the rank and file or the elders view us as disassociated or disfellowshipped or simply "weak" or possibly a "prodigal son" type?.

pale.emperor

@ pale.emperor...
Seriously? He actually said that?

Yep. And the worst part is, he and another elder went on a shepherding call to "encourage him" only the very next day.

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Does Anyone Know The "Real" Attitude That JWs Have Towards "Inactive Ones"?

by minimus in

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friends

does the rank and file or the elders view us as disassociated or disfellowshipped or simply "weak" or possibly a "prodigal son" type?.

pale.emperor

I'll quote my ex-father in law who is an elder:

Me: Is that a new study?

Him: No, he's a witness but hasn't been the meetings in a few months. He's useless.

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Local Elder Mentions this Site from the Platform

by James Jack in

a local elder had the part this week on the "good news" brochure.

he said: "if the householder has any questions, direct them to jw.org, don't say, just look up jehovah's witnesses on the internet(an older sister said this at the door), if you do they will be directed to a site visited by apostates and weak witnesses!

" "this mistake, would cause the householder to never accept bible truth".. i thought to myself, wow, i'm sure some listening to this part, will get curious now(many in the hall are just being exposed to the internet, and practicing with their new tablets) and do, just what they were told not to do..

pale.emperor

When i was still a JW i visited this site and got angry by the stuff on it. The seeds took root though!

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Stephen Lett looks like a crazed maniac in the March JW broadcast

by jambon1 in

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are people taking this man seriously?

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he looks genuinely mentally ill. .

pale.emperor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StI2n-Tg2vw

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Why I Refused To Go To Gay Son's Wedding EXCLUSIVE

by darkspilver in

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front page of the sunshine coast daily, friday 17 march 2017. yvonne, the mother of chris on bride and prejudice, has for the first time explained why she couldn't attend her gay son's wedding.

https://m.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/news/bride-and-prejudice-mum-denies-sons-church-control/3155773/.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5714189639221248/_post/5672317399072768.

pale.emperor

"As a Christian, it is not my place to hate anyone, but that doesn't mean I have to accept other people's lifestyle choices.

Choices? Like he chose to have white skin? Like he chose to me male? Like he chose to have brown eyes?

"I am not being orchestrated at all by the Jehovah's Witnesses. I am one of them by choice, by free will and I hold that belief."

No, of course you're not. Invite him and his new husband to stay over for the weekend and see what happens.

She said her son "would like our relationship to be like it was".

"We had a very close relationship. I am sure he is missing it. But it can't be that way with his current choices," she said.

So it is her that's doing the shunning. His current choices to feel attracted to males. Just like he chose to have her as a mother.

Horrible excuse for a mother. This cult truly is toxic.

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Is Stephen Lett an alien imitation?

by LoveUniHateExams in

i've been watching quite a bit of gb member stephen lett on youtube recently (no, i'm not thinking of going back to the jws).. i just find him compulsive viewing, like when people slow down to see a car crash.

i find his facial expressions and intonation spell-binding.. it reminds me a bit of john carpenter's the thing, a film where an alien life-form infects a host and imitates it, spreading throughout camps of remote workers in the antarctic.

if i were a bethelite living in close proximity to lett, i'd be thinking about giving him the blood test to see if he was normal, lol.. why does lett speak in public the way he does?

pale.emperor

Why would you put this man on the stand?

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here's a great jw brain stumper about noah

by nowwhat? in

so noah was a preacher of righteousness.

than how did he warn other pockets of civilizations that were hundreds or thousands of miles away?

and if they were destroyed anyway i thought jehovah only acts after he gives clear warning.. and if there were no other civilzations why the need to destroy the entire earth of every living creature?

pale.emperor

And another thing:

Genesis 6:2 - the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. (NIV)

This means that the angels has male sexual urges and materialized male bodies. How come none of them had lust towards the males? Couldn't they have also taken female bodies to take husbands?

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My Old Kingdom Hall being merged with TWO other congregations!

by pale.emperor in

this can only be a good sign.. my old congregation in liverpool has had a lot of money in it's bank account for years.

for a long, long time (almost 8 years) they've been looking for land to build a new hall.

the one they're in now is literally falling to bits.

pale.emperor

pale.emperor: Could you say which KH that was? I mean, could you point to the old hall and the new (3 year old) hall on google map?

KH's A, G and H will be merging. As my sources tell me, KH "H" will be the one they're all moving to. I can imagine people in KH G just ignoring the direction and just moving to KH J.