Not in a magazine or book but i have heard a talk about 2 years ago in where they likened it to the ancient punishment of strapping a corpse to a healthy person. The person would, over time, get sick due to the rotting body he's forced to carry around, and he'd eventually die. The speaker likened this to associating with a DF/DA'd person, you would gradually become [spiritually] sick and eventually die [spiritually].
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Disfellowshipped people are dead people?
by snugglebunny inskimming though my iphone earlier today i came across a fb post - which i now can't find!.
basically it was a claim that a gb member had stated that associating with a disfellowshipped person was akin to sleeping next to a corpse.. so obviously i'm curious as to whether anyone else has come across this..
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Memorial
by Gorbatchov inwhat i noticed during the memorial is the over organised ritual aspect.
for a non jw is must be hard to follow.. for me, i noticed that during the memorial there is no attention for the historical jesus and the historical events.
it's all about the kingdom arrangement with it's central point, the governing body of jw.. do you noticed this also?.
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Looking back im ashamed to say i just went along with the ritual of passing the emblems, not really thinking about it. Now, looking back, it's clear that the scriptures direct every follower of Christ to partake. Instead we all just passed it along, waiting for my turn to pass it, feeling a little bit nervous in case i drop it, keeping a look out to see if anyone will eat/drink. No one ever did in my hall.
Which makes me think, why even go if you're not partaking? If it's only for a select few then only they should turn up.
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Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses launches worldwide campaign againt Russia
by jwleaks injehovah's witnesses mobilize global response to threat of ban in russia.
march 21, 2017. https://www.jw.org/en/news/releases/by-region/russia/jw-mobilize-global-response-to-threat-of-ban/.
new york—threatened with an imminent ban on their worship in russia, jehovah’s witnesses are responding with a direct appeal to kremlin and supreme court officials for relief through a global letter-writing campaign.
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Governing Body say jump, JW's say "how high?"
Governing Body say write letters to Putin, JW's get their little children to innocently get involved with a political lobby they know nothing about (sickening).
Governing Body say drink this kool aid, JW's gulp it down.
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Was it just me or was something different about the memorial last night?
by kpop inthis was the first memorial that i declined to do any work for the memorial.
i was assigned as a parking attendant after getting downgraded from doing the sound and had no intention of doing either task but i had to attend for my family and continuation of my fade.
i sat there last night listening to the talk and couldn't help but shake my head as my brain attempted to process the bs.
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I think it's just a tradition now. The ones who turn up as guests are almost always family members who were never in "the truth" but turn up to this once a year because it's the least they could do to keep their spouse/family happy.
Thinking back, i didn't like the memorial. I didn't enjoy it, i didn't think it was a celebration in any sense of the word. It was just boring. The popular elders families milling around greeting and smiling to the new faces as if they'd be friends with them if they ever attended the meetings.
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Inactive Witness Preaches To Me Today
by pale.emperor ina rather bizzare situation, this morning.
i was taking my daughter to the park, as i walk past a row of shops a car horn beeps and shouts me.
i turn round and see a car in a disabled parking space with a guy who used to go to my hall smiling and waving to me.
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Did you ask him why he no longer goes ?
I didnt ask. But i can guess. He and his adult daughter always sit in the back row in the very corner. Always first in the KH. Nobody talks to them, people just walk past them and stay within their own cliques.
If you only go to the KH for the talks then it soon gets boring.
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Memorial - from disgusted to feeling sorry
by UBM101 ini went with my husband tonight for the first time.
it was pretty appalling how they lied about the 144k and everyone else.
then passing the wine and bread for nothing.
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"Will this Memorial be our last? (1 Cor. 11: 26) We do not know."
Then why ask?!!
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When You See a JW Do You Get Flustered?
by minimus ini used to dread seeing a witness coming toward me.
now i am quite comfortable and hope that they may say something to me..... does your blood pressure rise when you see a jw coming toward you?
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The first few were positive flamers, but then some came by with warm greetings and tried to keep the flamers in check. But they will not be able to do this, for upon leaving Jehovah's organization, persons quickly shed whatever unity they once had
The unity was conditional that we all agree with whatever the GB currently think. Any deviation from the Watchtower magazines or thinking for oneself and your best JW chum would drop you like a hot brick. Hows that for unity?
In fact, it is likely that some who flame me also flame each other under different usernames on other forums, perhaps in the Hillary/Trump forum, or the atheist/believer forum, or the science-based-medicine/alternative forum. In other words, unruly as persons can be here, it is par for the course elsewhere, too. It has gotten to the point that many publications have discontinued their comments section because the nasty trolls immediately abuse it. That's the world anyone is happy to embrace? I prefer our website.
Yes, you'd prefer a website that doesn't allow debate. Imagine a world like that, were debate and sharing views is considered bad. It'd be a dictatorship. Not everyone trolls. Most trolls on here happen to be active JW's trying to defend their GB's blunders.
Nonetheless, this is not staying on topic. This is: since it gives some the willy-nillies to see Jehovah's Witnesses approaching, one would think they would welcome cart witnessing and the website as alternative, not-in-your-face methods of doing the work Christ said should be done. Instead, everyone I have seen here blasts at that means for spreading the Kingdom message as well.
I dont know anyone on here that gets "the willy-nillies to see Jehovah's Witnesses approaching", the other way round in fact. Personally, im not opposed to them preaching their trash. I look forward to them knocking on my door so i can show them the publications were Rutherford says vaccinations are of the devil, that the prophets will be resurrected in 1925 and that people of color shouldn't be given literature because it'd be a waste.
Our website, however is getting huge publicity these days because Russia is insisting it is extremist and trying to ban Jehovah's Witnesses on that account. The Governing Body just once invited and encouraged individual Witnesses to write Russian authorities. From what I've seen, I'd be surprised if every Witness in the world does not write, for we care for each other. That's eight million personal letters to Putin or his associates, but with 6 officials listed, persons able to compose more than one letter if they choose, non-Witness human rights people joining in, opposers chiding Putin for not going far enough, one can easily imagine 50 -60 million letters within a two week period. Putin may sink them all at sea and never read one, but he cannot fail to know they exist.
Im willing to bet that the vast majority of JW.org visitors are active JWs and ex-JW apostates keeping up to date with the indoctrination their loved ones are being fed. Your GB hasn't realized that if Putin does indeed ban the Witnesses then he now has the personal address of each one of them.
He will know that there is one nation on earth in which every citizen cares deeply about every other. He has never seen anything like it. He will not forget it, regardless of the trial's outcome.
What with extensive media coverage, Time and the New York Times, for example, one can reasonably expect that millions will visit jw.org to see whether it is extremist or not. We can only imagine what may happen when they discover it is not, and perhaps that is the biggest contribution our Russian brothers make to the worldwide ministry.
Most people dont know what JW's believe. And they dont care. All one has to do to send them to the Australian Royal Commission website and read all of the child molestation cases they are embroiled in. The fine the WBTS pays daily to keep their list of child predators out of court. Their failed predictions with a 0% sucess rate since their inception. Rutherfords praise of Hitlers regime prior to WW2 i could go on.
But all that aside, we'd love to hear your story of how/why you became a JW and your current stand. Do you believe all of what the GB say? Are they directed by holy spirit? How do they receive new light?
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When You See a JW Do You Get Flustered?
by minimus ini used to dread seeing a witness coming toward me.
now i am quite comfortable and hope that they may say something to me..... does your blood pressure rise when you see a jw coming toward you?
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Tom, did you read punkofnice's post? The quotes are there to show you the facts. We are not enemies of truth. We seek the truth no matter how uncomfortable it may be. That's why we're no longer Jehovah's Witnesses. We researched properly, using their own magazines and books. That's what all those quotes from Watchtower publications are for. So any active witness can read them without fear of it being "apostasy", because it's from your own publications.
We'd love to hear your story. We've all posted ours on here.
When an honest man is proven wrong, he either stops being wrong or he stops being honest. - Anon
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Go bags?
by punkofnice ini heard recently that there was a talk given at the kh about having a 'go bag' ready because the big 'a' must be soooo close as evidenced by syria and the russian jobo thing.. does anyone know if this 'go bag' thing is substantiated in publications or just a local nut job being paranoid and attention seeking?.
i also wonder about this 'go bag' thing, apparently, you need to make sure your biscuits (that's cookies to my over the pond friends), are not out of date.
don't carry water, it's too heavy.. too many questions do i have.
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Makes you wonder, if Jehovah supplied manna in the wilderness, and made it so their sandals and clothes didn't wear out, cant he do the same trick when the big A strikes? Apparently not. Maybe he's like a cheap conjurer. Never does the same trick twice in case you see how he does it.
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Go bags?
by punkofnice ini heard recently that there was a talk given at the kh about having a 'go bag' ready because the big 'a' must be soooo close as evidenced by syria and the russian jobo thing.. does anyone know if this 'go bag' thing is substantiated in publications or just a local nut job being paranoid and attention seeking?.
i also wonder about this 'go bag' thing, apparently, you need to make sure your biscuits (that's cookies to my over the pond friends), are not out of date.
don't carry water, it's too heavy.. too many questions do i have.
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This was announced as far back as 2014, i remember it being announced and thinking it was crazy. No one i know actually did it. It's either the GB trying to add another splash of fear to keep the R&F on the toes or the GB genuinely believe the big A is imminent, proving they're as mad a balloon.