There's a "white shirt" congregation here in Liverpool. The elder who makes visiting speakers change into the shirt is a grade A dick. I've never seen him smile or laugh.
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Are there 'ultra strict' congregations?
by jambon1 inwhen i studied as a young adult, it was in one of those congregations.
having viewed the religion as a quaint little band of christians it conpletely dumbfounded me when i was told about such rules as 1 - no beards.
2 - you must wear a suit to meetings and while giving a talk.
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International School Of Exorcism
by pale.emperor inwhat a wonderfully hilarious read.
bob larson, the crazy born again bible thumping idiot, will teach you how to exorcise demons and even satan himself.
is he giving this vital lifesaving information away for free?
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pale.emperor
What a wonderfully hilarious read. Bob Larson, the crazy Born Again bible thumping idiot, will teach you how to exorcise demons and even Satan himself. Is he giving this vital lifesaving information away for free? No, he charges $500 for it.
https://www.boblarson.org/webstore/
Check out the FAQ's - it's got SCAM written all over it!!
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Is there an application fee?
No, anyone is eligible to enroll. Your enrollment is your application. However, before processing your enrollment fee we will first assess your Application for Enrollment form.
So there's no fee but there is a fee?
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Is the School of Exorcism accredited?
ISE is accredited by the Spiritual Freedom Churches, Inc. International, a non-denominational church organization with scores of affiliated and associated churches worldwide.
Don't worry though folks, his "School" is fully accredited... by the Spiritual Freedom Churches, Inc. International... an institute which is owned by... Bob Larson.
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What if I already have some of the resource materials you offer?
Great, just take what we send to you when you enroll and pass this valuable information on to others.
Yep, just give me your money and ditch what i send you.
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How closely am I monitored?
The ISE curriculum is self-guided so you can proceed at your own pace to complete the courses as quickly as you’d like. Questions about course materials can be answered by calling our international office at 303-980-1511.
Yes. It's almost as if it's a scam.
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Will I be tested periodically?
Yes. Each course completion requires the student to answer a questionnaire and also submit answers in essay format. If you don’t pass you can take the course an additional time and be retested without further cost.
Ever met an exorcist that was tested by mail? Even if you dont pass, you can keep re-doing the test until you do. Imagine if doctors and lawyers could do this!!
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Will I be evaluated in person by Rev. Bob Larson?
Those who complete the Exorcist Level of study will be personally certified by Rev. Larson, and he will observe and evaluate technical and spiritual proficiency at a mutually acceptable location.
Is there a discount for pastors or those in full time Christian service?I wonder where he finds enough demon possessed actors, sorry, victims to be tested on?
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We anticipate that those involved in ministry will be our primary students; therefore to maintain the financial integrity of our mission we are not able to offer discounts with our opening enrollments.
No discounts! We want your money!!
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Are there additional costs for attendance at Rev. Larson’s seminars and overseas missions?
Yes, those who advance to the Exorcist Level will be required to attend certain seminars for face-to-face evaluation and observational hands-on experience. Overseas missions would also be helpful to attain certification in some cases.
Of course there's additional costs you fool!
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Will my certification transfer to other Christian schools or colleges?
That will depend on a case-by-case basis. Attempts will be made to encourage other Christian institutions to recognize the importance of our certification.
Yeah, recognize the importance, and legitimacy.
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If I quit, what happens to my tuition?
All tuition is non-refundable, except in the case of confirmed health emergencies which are disabling.
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Should I go through deliverance before enrolling in the School?
We recommend that all prospective students arrange for a Personal One-On-One Spiritual Encounter with Rev. Larson. It is not a requirement but will be invaluable to understanding the processes which will be taught and to be spiritually prepared for the instruction to be received. An Encounter can be arranged at the time of enrollment or any time prior by calling our offices at 303-980-1511 or going online to www.boblarson.org.
...for a fee.
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What if I’m a new Christian and not well-versed in the Bible?
This course is just what you need. Studying the life of Christ and how He ministered is an excellent way to gain basic biblical knowledge of the mission of Jesus. ISE is an intensive way to grow in your understanding of Scripture.
Just what you need. Because remember how Jesus charged people to learn from him?
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Bearded students on Ministry school?
by NikL inso at last nights ministry school we had 2...yes that's right two that had parts and gave them with beards.. i found it interesting.
i thought the consensus was that you couldn't have any extra privileges if you wore one.. maybe the school is different?.
anyway, anybody else seen this in the u.s.?.
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pale.emperor
For the last year that i was a JW i had a beard. I was 50% awake about TTATT at the time.
I gave a talk with a beard and was the first to do so since 1970s. Now, most men in my old congregation are sporting beards. Not the elders though.
It seems individual congregations are unable to use common sense and think they must wait for permission from the GB popes before they let beards on the platform.
CULT!!
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Outcome - Banned in Russia - Final
by OrphanCrow ini just watched the live feed from the russian court room and followed the updates on the russian exjw forum.. just waiting for confirmation from other sources...but, it looks like the final (and expected) result is:.
banned.
which means that the wts property in russia now belongs to the russian state..
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pale.emperor
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/04/20/doug-stanglin/100698348/
“They pose a threat to the rights of the citizens, public order and public security,” she told the court.
True. WT would have it's members forgo their personal goals and aspirations to slave for them. They would hide molestation against children to protect their image.
Borisova also said the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ opposition to blood transfusions violates Russian health care laws.
Again, true. And according to Ray Franz half of the GB when he served thought it should be a matter of personal choice.
During the hearing, one witness, identified as Natalia Koretskaya from St. Petersburg, testified that she was a member of the group from 1995 to 2009, TASS news agency reported. She said top church officials purported to enforce church rules "but in real fact the talk is about total control of an individual’s personal life — his intimate life, education and work."
VERY TRUE (as we all know personally)
Im torn. Im glad they're banned but it's bad on the Russian JW's that dont know they're in a cult. The JW's outside Russia will be so happy, "armageddon is closer!! Return to Jehovah!!"
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April 15, 2017 BOE Re: Kingdom Hall and Assembly Hall Construction Worldwide
by wifibandit inapril 15, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: kingdom hall and assembly hall construction worldwide.
versions: us, great britain, ireland.
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Carefully weigh the desire of your congregation to donate along with its financial circumstances.
So they're just telling them in no subtle terms to donate more than they already are.
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JW Double Standards and Hypocrisy in the Congregation!!!
by Christian Gutierrez ini am sure you have stories as well of elders being a hard ass on many, yet turning a blind eye to the 'sins' of their own family or close connections.
cheers everyone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gma1auaur2o.
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pale.emperor
In my old congregation (Kirkby, Liverpool) there was an elder who beats up his wife. He's still serving as an elder there. His wife left him because she couldn't take the abuse anymore, she used to turn up to the KH with black eyes and a broken arm.
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Watchtower Society Fails In Unconditional Love
by pale.emperor inwas watching an episode of the young pope yesterday (really enjoyed the series), at at the end there it dealt with the theme of "unconditional love".
it made me think of the love i have for people i know.. i looked up the wikipedia intro of unconditional love and it reads:.
unconditional love is known as affection without any limitations or love without conditions.
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pale.emperor
Was watching an episode of The Young Pope yesterday (really enjoyed the series), at at the end there it dealt with the theme of "unconditional love". It made me think of the love i have for people i know.
I looked up the Wikipedia intro of unconditional love and it reads:
Unconditional love is known as affection without any limitations or love without conditions. This term is sometimes associated with other terms such as true altruism or complete love. Each area of expertise has a certain way of describing unconditional love, but most will agree that it is that type of love which has no bounds and is unchanging. It is a concept comparable to true love, a term which is more frequently used to describe love between lovers. By contrast, unconditional love is frequently used to describe love between family members, comrades in arms and between others in highly committed relationships. An example of this is a parent's love for their child; no matter a test score, a life changing decision, an argument, or a strong belief, the amount of love that remains between this bond is seen as unchanging and unconditional. Unconditional love is garnered and shared by those who love themselves first.
Contrast this with what the Watchtower teaches: https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20150415/disfellowshipping-a-loving-provision/
Family members can show love for the congregation and the erring one by respecting the disfellowshipping decision. “He was still my son,” explains Julian, “but his lifestyle had put up a barrier between us.”
All in the congregation can show principled love by avoiding contact and conversation with the disfellowshipped person. (1 Cor. 5:11; 2 John 10, 11) They thus reinforce the discipline that Jehovah has given him through the elders. Furthermore, they can give extra love and support to the family of the disfellowshipped one, who suffer considerably and who should not be made to feel that they too are excluded from association with fellow believers.—Rom. 12:13, 15.
“Disfellowshipping is an arrangement that we need, one that helps us live according to Jehovah’s standards,” Julian concludes. “In the long run, despite the pain, it brings good results. Had I been tolerant of my son’s bad conduct, he would never have recovered.”
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Could a petition to make shunning illegal work?
by aboveusonlysky inwe're currently watching leah remini's series about scientology and the main thing she seems to focus on is the shunning policies of the scientology organization which let's face it are very similar to jw procedure.. i was wondering with all that's in the media recently about bullying could a petition be put together to get the goverment to consider making religiously mandated shunning illegal?
has such a thing been tried before?.
https://petition.parliament.uk/help says the following - .
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Unfortunately, the shunning policy is carefully worded so that if it ever went to court it would show that the individual is choosing to shun you and that it's not a commandment. And they themselves would think it was their own choice too. Brainwashing at it's finest.
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A purposeful life can conflict with "truth"
by The Rebel inthat life needs a purpose, in my opinion is why many remain witnesses.. yet it occurs to me, if only witnesses could simplify their life, they would regain their sight, look at themselves and see the " miraculous " organisation and the unforseeable future is not as important as enjoying the spring day of today.
this is why i have simplified my life.
my purpose in life today is simply to play a little football with my son, and appreciate the spring day.. but of this i am sure, today will be a good day, better than the " purposeful" days i spent in the " miraculous " organisation, living on the a hope of an unforseeable future..
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pale.emperor
I agree.
Looking back over my life the memories that have stuck are the ones were i've spent time with family or friends, did things together and things i've did to entertain others and make them laugh. None of that need be in any religious organization.
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Cirencester Congregation UK: My story
by erbie indear all,.
i have been a member here for some years although mostly in the background.
many of you have bravely shared your own experiences and i am very grateful for that but i have never been open about my own experience.. nevertheless, i would be very grateful to those of you who would now take the time to read about my own personal journey from the jw religion and the circumstances that caused me to abandon that way of life and how i landed up where i am.
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oh erbie i just want to reach through this monitor and give you a hug. Thanks for sharing. I think you're doing the right thing in filing for divorce. You're gonna be ok, feel free to come here and share more of your thoughts and feelings.