Posts by pale.emperor

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What is the benifits to living forever?

by Jayk in

can anyone give me a valid reason for it?

growing old is a drag.

the witnesses idea of ever lasting life, that you will come back to your most youthful state is such a bs answer..

pale.emperor

At first it sounds good on paper. But in practice i dont think i'd like to live forever as the Watchtower portrays it.

Eventually the earth would be so full that we'd stop procreating. This would happen within the first 500 years. So does this mean no more sex? Then you may as well shoot me now!

What about those ones who had plural wives? Are they still married to them? WT is now a lot more careful in explaining whether or not the resurrected are still married. Does this mean my dad is not my dad anymore?

So eventually we'd all reach a nice median age like 27, master every instrument, every science, all mathematical concepts, memorize books etc etc.

So now what? Im 500 billion years old an expert at everything... but then so is Bro A and Sister B.

And we still got to go to meetings and be ruled over by Tony Morris and JF Rutherford and co?

I'll take my 80 years now thank you.

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Just got a good LOL out of my roommates

by Jayk in

my roommate (j) is sleeping sitting up right on his pc.. my other roommate (c) says "how do you sleep sitting up like that".

i said "years of practice, you didn't go to church as a kid did you?

".

pale.emperor

Sunglasses. If you want to sleep during the sessions in the convention you must wear sunglasses.

The only problem is only blind people and assholes wear sunglasses indoors, so this works better if it's an outdoor convention.

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Are Beards becoming more acceptable due to decline in membership?

by UnshackleTheChains in

i noticed a young brother with a beard being given more privelages within our hall.

when he first grew his beard, he lost his privelages.

but more and more recently he has been helping out a lot more.. the cobe is old school and a stickler for rules, but with the hall becoming more empty these days, and the need for young brothers, he seems to have relaxed on this particular watchtower/man made rule.

pale.emperor

Imagine if Jesus appeared before them.

Jesus: Behold, the son of man is with you. I have a lifesaving message for you all...

Elder 1: Thanks Jesus but you'll need to shave and put this white shirt on before we can allow you on the platform.

Elder 2:Also, can we have you latest ministry report slip please?

Elder 3: And a letter from your previous congregation confirming that you're a baptised witness in good standing.

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My Cognitive Dissonance is Eating Me Alive (Intro Post)

by pometerre21 in

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friends

i've been lurking here for a couple of weeks now.

i'm starting to "awaken" and it is all that has been occupying my mind.

i've always, always had doubts, some of which i expressed to family members who always had the same replies:.

pale.emperor

Welcome Pom

Let me just say that we all understand. Every one of us have been through the exact same things as you. I've been out about a year and a half. I had little doubts for years that I ignored and just focused on the good things JWs have.

For me it was the rules upon rules, interfering elders, this snitching culture and this idea that we need magazines to study the bible and the governing body to have a relationship with God.

Read up on JWFacts.com and also there's a book by ex Governing Body member Ray Franz. It's absolutely worth the read, it'll open your eyes and make you wise about some things. PM me for a copy of you wish.

Come back and vent. It's good to air your feelings. We'll look after you on here and support you.

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Work Christmas functions: Being a Bible Student (unbaptized)

by rulehayl in

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hi all,i have been studying with the witnesses for more than 6 months and regularly attend both midweek & weekend meetings, and i am nearly at the end of the "bible teach" book.

my boss is adamant i attend team christmas functions.

she knows about my studying and potential baptism next year, and has suggested that i attend and just not participate in activities like kris kringle.

pale.emperor

It's worth remembering that the book What Does The Bible Really Teach? has been updated at least once since it was first publish... so the first time they published it it wasn't actually "the truth".

How can we be sure they've got it right this time?

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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me

by Doug Mason in

according to the watchtower:.

who received the ransom payment?.

why did the ransomer need to be paid?.

pale.emperor

The non-JW christian gospel simply ...
A perfectly righteous god cannot overlook sin. Therefore we are alienated from god by our sin.
Sinless Jesus took on himself all of our sins and vicariously received the punishment for them on the cross. "He who did not know sin he made to be sin for us..."
God could then be righteous when he declares sinners to be righteous whose penalty has been paid by Jesus.
Disclaimer - I am not defending this idea as either rational or moral.

I get ya.

Which begs the question: why create hell in the first place? Why not just forgive the sin? Even if you must punish Adam and Eve why punish the children that havent been born yet?

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Please explain the Watchtower's "Ransom" for me

by Doug Mason in

according to the watchtower:.

who received the ransom payment?.

why did the ransomer need to be paid?.

pale.emperor

I always had a secret problem with the ransom. I couldn't quite understand it. I couldnt understand why if we were christians and we accepted Jesus sacrifice and accepted Jehovah as our God, why did we need to do anything else? Why was i racked with guilt for buying a porno mag or saying a swearword or going to the office xmas party?

As i understood it the Watchtowers teaching is that Jesus died for mankinds sins. And that we're still sinful but when we die can be resurrected to paradise because Jesus blood paid the price of our sinful state. But it wasnt enough to believe in Jesus, you had to be a JW and knock on doors and obey all the new light.

Yet the born agains said that accepting Jesus means that Christ died for your sins, so your sinful state is paid off right now. That made more sense to me.

But anyway, i don't believe in such nonsense anymore.

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January 2018 Message of Judgment - What Is This?

by dubstepped in

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i've now seen a couple of references to this and did a little digging before leaving for work.

i saw someone on reddit in july saying that someone on the inside said a change was coming in 2018 with the jw message, and i've now seen two references to this in the past week.

help a former brother out.

pale.emperor

It's some who's misunderstood exactly what the Jan 2018 changes are. As we know, starting Jan 2018 their mags are being severely reduced and online content gradually reduced too. Also, the ministry will be primarily focusing on conversations rather than placing literature willy-nilly.

Rather than face facts and see this as a cost-cutting measure. The over zealous, blind-sighted ones are thinking it's them changing their message to "one of judgement". It's the only big change they've had in a while affecting their ministry.

No official word of this 2018 message of doom has come from Bethel nor printed in any of their mags or on the JWBroadcasting.

Fear not. 2018 will roll by just like 2017 did. The only message of judgement will be me when i get my gas bill after Christmas.

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Convention “Highlights” - bwhahaha!

by Muddy Waters in

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taking a walk down memory lane at those looooonnnnngg, tedious conventions... .

(boy, they weren’t kidding when they spoke about being long-suffering and having endurance!).

but what were some of your convention highlights, or lowlights, from back in the day?.

pale.emperor

Oh man.

I never actually took notes. There was nothing said that was new or worth writing down. I can remember every convention being very boring. And the only memories i have are not of the talks but of the dramas and the people i'd speak to in the breaks.

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Fasten Your Seatbelts - The Crazy Has Started (Also, bring the Koolaid)

by berrygerry in

from facebook:just saw my jw mother after not seeing her for more than 2 years.

when i do see her, it is brief, she never asks about my life, doesn't ask about my 4 children her grandchildren, doesn't ask about my grandchildren...her great grandchildren, she doesn't ask about my other 2 brothers that she is also alienated from, she doesn't ask about my brothers family.

she doesn't talk about the jw/org either.

pale.emperor

Wait...the guy does have a point. Why would Satan be wasting his time on the Jehovah's Witness organization if they didn't have the truth? None of you guys can explain that one!

There's just as much critics of the Mormon Church too, Cold Steel, (which you yourself are a member of) by ex-members. I myself was am a huge critic of that church even in my JW days.

Does that mean the Latter Day Saints have the truth?