Posts by pale.emperor

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Manmade rules

by Jrjw in

i was talking to someone a few years ago and he said in his congregation they have a rail of white shirts prepared in the cloakroom for if a speaker doesn't have a white shirt on.

it was a rule in their hall that all brothers in the platform must wear white shirts when going talks and if the speaker won't comply when asked to change into the shirt they provide an elder in the congregation will do the talk instead.

i have never known any other halls do it so it must be a rule the elders have made up without gb input.

pale.emperor

Asshole elder in Liverpool is the "white shirt" guy. Brother Evans his name was if anyone from North West UK is reading.

I had the unfortunate time of doing a demo for him in a circuit convention. I was told white shirt only. And he wanted to inspect the shirt before i went out. And he brought a spare white shirt in case i turned up in any other colour. At the time i thought it must have been a circuit assembly rule or something so thought nothing of it.

Story goes that in his own congregation he enforces this rule. He even tried to get the CO to change his shirt and was promptly told off.

This same guy wouldn't allow the sisters to do vacuuming in the assembly hall (our circuit attended Northenden, Manchester). Vacuuming was fine for sister in the KH, but the "cool" jobs like vacuuming the platform was for brothers only. You know, so you would be seen?

The assembly hall itself was really nice. A former theatre so im told. Shame about it's occupants.

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An Active JW Sister Modelling For Me

by pale.emperor in

since leaving the borg i jumped both feet first into classes i've always wanted to do but was never "allowed" to.

two of which are life drawing and photography.

i've been studying for almost two years now and have seen more nude men and women in our classes than i care to remember.. today in the photography studio i was working in with three others (two women, one man) we were told we had a new person modelling for us.

pale.emperor

So she shave her yingyang?

No

Did she recognize you?

No

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An Active JW Sister Modelling For Me

by pale.emperor in

since leaving the borg i jumped both feet first into classes i've always wanted to do but was never "allowed" to.

two of which are life drawing and photography.

i've been studying for almost two years now and have seen more nude men and women in our classes than i care to remember.. today in the photography studio i was working in with three others (two women, one man) we were told we had a new person modelling for us.

pale.emperor

Even when i was a JW i thought nothing of fine art nude. It annoyed me immensely when my parents or other uber JWs would see a nude and instantly thing "smut!"

I do hope she comes back. Slowly planting seeds would be a nice gift for her.

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An Active JW Sister Modelling For Me

by pale.emperor in

since leaving the borg i jumped both feet first into classes i've always wanted to do but was never "allowed" to.

two of which are life drawing and photography.

i've been studying for almost two years now and have seen more nude men and women in our classes than i care to remember.. today in the photography studio i was working in with three others (two women, one man) we were told we had a new person modelling for us.

pale.emperor

Since leaving the borg I jumped both feet first into classes I've always wanted to do but was never "allowed" to. Two of which are life drawing and photography. I've been studying for almost two years now and have seen more nude men and women in our classes than i care to remember.

Today in the photography studio i was working in with three others (two women, one man) we were told we had a new person modelling for us. We're working on imitating Helmut Newton style shots (google his work if you dont know who he is).

So the model turns up for a nude shoot. Nothing new. Then i recognize her. She's an active JW in a KH not too far from me. In fact, about 4 years ago me and my ex-wifes family did a demo in the convention with this girl and her family when she was 16. We played "the bad" non JW family, while she was in the "good" JW family. I dont think she remembered me (i have a beard now) but there she was talking about art and her day job (one of those pitiful self employed jobs that most JW sisters do). One of the girl photographers asked if she had a nice Christmas, she replied that she doesn't celebrate it! Before she could be asked why i interrupted and asked how long she's been modelling. She said only about a month and this is her first shoot of this kind. Apparently she's a friend of one of our regulars.

All that aside she was a very good model and took direction well. WHY she was doing this i dont know given that she comes from a "strong" JW family and is married to a "good" JW guy. The studio, as far as im told, pays about £30 an hour and she was there 4 hours.

Wonder if the husband knows? Clearly the elders dont. Im not getting involved she actually is a nice person.

I mean, £120 cash in hand, no invoices... i suppose that could have come from her "dayjob" right?

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I am getting disfellowshipped

by CitizenofEarth in

maybe some of you remember me, maybe not.

for general information i am now 19 years old, and living by myself.

for the past 1 year (more like 1.5 years) i have been quietly fading out of the hypocrisy of this organization, but since i still live in the town i grew up in it has been hard, and filled with different challenges.

pale.emperor

This is a trick.

Because you've not attended for a good while they cant treat you as a fully fledged JW.

If you turn up to the JC, they can take that as you respecting the authority of the body of elders. If you dont show, they cant touch you.

First of all, i'd write to them saying that you refuse to attend a JC and if you are announced from the platform as "no longer being a JW" you will proceed with legal action. Make yourself a fake solicitors letter and include it. They shit themselves. As you can see from page 86 of Shepherd The Flock Of God (elders guidebook) they're not even allowed to confirm that there even if a JC!!

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Why the meetings are boring and uninspiring

by UnshackleTheChains in

each individual may have their own views as to why they feel the meetings are boring and uninspiring.

in my case i find the midweek meeting so, because of the constant emphasis on pitching watchtower literature.

its just monotonous and one big yawn.. i watch other christian faiths where they open up a chapter of the bible and discuss it's contents.

pale.emperor

Im surprised they never introduced a class for kids while the main meeting was going on. It's madness to think that infants and children are sitting there taking it in and understanding whats going on. I think back to my childhood in the KH and remember 2 hours of thinking up stories in my head, or thinking about what im going to do tomorrow. My parents wouldn't even let us draw in the meetings. I remember being about 7yo sitting in the Tuesday book study in a cold KH going through the Revelation book. Did i understand it? Nope! I used to just flick through it and look at the pictures.

26

Generation

by Jrjw in

please could someone explain to me what the generation thing i keep seeing in people's threads was that had lots of people leave the wts coz it was way before i became a witness.

pale.emperor

Allow this asshole to explain it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejO0Z8m2n-k

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Whatever happened to the "written review"?

by pale.emperor in

does anyone know why the written review was stopped?

i relished the half hour silence they'd give you to "write down your answers", time i spend doodling or thinking up cool song lyrics..

pale.emperor

Does anyone know why the written review was stopped? I relished the half hour silence they'd give you to "write down your answers", time i spend doodling or thinking up cool song lyrics.

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Watchtower and the Robert F Kennedy assasination

by pale.emperor in

only stumbled upon this letter today:.

http://jw-wayback.org/jw-wb/english/letters/to%20congregations/1916-2006/1968-07-09%20to%20all%20congregations%20in%20the%20usa%20(jw%20involved%20in%20assassination%20of%20kennedy).pdf.

apparently, the father of bobby kennedy's killer was accused of being a jw.

pale.emperor

Only stumbled upon this letter today:

http://jw-wayback.org/jw-wb/English/Letters/To%20Congregations/1916-2006/1968-07-09%20To%20all%20congregations%20in%20the%20USA%20(JW%20involved%20in%20assassination%20of%20Kennedy).pdf

Apparently, the father of Bobby Kennedy's killer was accused of being a JW. Watchtower had to write a letter assuring the rank and file and he wasnt.

What i think is rather childish though, is rather than simply stating that "he wasnt a JW", they take the opportunity to link other religions to:

...the First Nazarene Church of Pasadena, California, sponsored the Sirhan family in their move to the United States, but Mrs. Sirhan attends the Presbyterian Church now.

Bishara Sirhan, who has consistently denied reported of connections with Jehovah's Witnesses, insists he is Greek Orthodox.

Look, i'd be the first to laugh at the suggestion that Watchtower society, for all it's faults, would be involved with anything like assassination. But in defending their position i wouldn't name other religions that have helped the Sirhan family. It'd serve no purpose. The religion of Sirhan's parents has no bearings on what the guy did.

At least is resulted in some cancelled subscriptions anyway :)

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Family Insists on Having Relationship with My Child -_-

by Cimarrona in

hi gang, i'm a single mother of an 8 month old baby boy.

i've been df'd for over six years now.

my parents are super dubs and most of my siblings are dubs (on paper - a couple have been inactive my entire life but still claim to believe) with the exception of a brother who was never baptized.

pale.emperor

We did allow them the time with the kids until the kids started coming home saying "Jehovah doesn't like that", "Jehovah doesn't like birthdays...Christmas".

Same here. My 3yo daughter is secretly palmed off to my mother (who tells people im dead) by my ex-wife. At xmas time she randomly told me "Jehovah doesnt like Christmas". Fortunately, i acted surprised and said "doesnt he? well thats alright because i like it. Do you like it?" and she said yes. Now i say "it's ok, Jehovah's not real. He's just pretend".

I think your boy would be better off without them. Think about it, they have a toxic belief system. If your boy ever did join the JWs (heaven forbid!) and then left they'd all drop him like a hot brick.

My family haven't spoke to me in 2 years but nag my ex wife to see my daughter. She doesn't really like going there but my brother tells me she's been handing her over every couple of weeks. As long as the kid is with you more than the JWs i think you'll be ok provided you call bullshit on any JW crap they come out with. And reason with the child (something JWs wont do, allow critique and inquiry into their doctrine).