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  Satan is "bullying" you through family

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  just thought i'd share this ridiculous picture from a recent watchtower.

  in recent years, the word bullying has been thrown around a lot, and often misused by instigators and subtle bullies themselves.

  in this picture we learn that your loving family who wants to continue sharing a family tradition with you, who hands you a beautifully wrapped present with a smile on their face, is in fact bullying you.

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  pale.emperor

  Bloody hell, they're really upped the cultiness here havent they.

  If that's what they consider bullying, what do they call the treatment of the Jews in WW2 Germany?
  
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  three score years and 10

  by stan livedeath in

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  yep--70 today.

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  pale.emperor

  Happy birthday stanogs

  Enjoy the Asian quinine... im a scotch egg and a brown ale man myself.
  
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  Solicitors Visit Update

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in case you're not aware of my last two threads:.

  the situation that arose in that my mother has been having secret access to my daughter and refusing to tell me how she is: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5012900121935872/am-overreacting-here.

  the build up to my solicitors visit: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6284953638666240/solicitors-appontment-tomorrow-advice-appreciated.

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  pale.emperor

  How would your partner feel if you were to take her to non JW religious activities? Often churches provide an after school story and play time once a week. It can be fun for the children but you may be totally against this idea yourself. It is also the wrong thing to do if you just intend to do this as a retaliation.

  The mother has left the org herself only 3 weeks ago. She has a non JW boyfriend and they stay over at eachothers houses. Her family know but the rest of her congregation and my side of the family think she's simply stopped attending meetings.

  We both agree that JW.borg is bullshit. We were both born in's an know what it's like and at the very least we both agree that we dont want our daughter raised as a JW. So no worry of her going to JW activities.

  Personally, i'd rather they not even teach religion in school. In my home i collect hindu idols because im interested in Hindu mythology. She know's their names but doesnt for a second think they're demonic or naughty.
  
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  Solicitors Visit Update

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in case you're not aware of my last two threads:.

  the situation that arose in that my mother has been having secret access to my daughter and refusing to tell me how she is: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5012900121935872/am-overreacting-here.

  the build up to my solicitors visit: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6284953638666240/solicitors-appontment-tomorrow-advice-appreciated.

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  pale.emperor

  i wonder what wll happen when your ex gets d/f ?

  Im wondering this too.

  Im hoping it'll give my family the kick in the balls they need that will make them realize this religion is messed up when it comes to shunning those you want around.
  
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  2018 Regional Convention program available on JW.borg

  by sir82 in

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  2. friends

  https://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/convention-program-2018/.

  friday.

  be courageous and very strong”​—joshua 1:7

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  pale.emperor

  First of all, the first thing i did was check what time the lunch time is, and what time the day finishes. It's an ingrained trait im sure we all still have.

  Second... you could literally gave this program in 1974.
  
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  "Brother"? Larry Graham of Sly And The Family Stone and Graham Central Station

  by HappyDad in

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  2. entertainment

  i heard a sly and the family stone song a little while ago and out of curiosity, looked up larry graham....the innovator of the slappin and plunkin bass.

  he became a jw about 1975 and was the influence for prince becoming a jw.

  on his official web page is the list of his tour dates this year.

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  pale.emperor

  It works like this:

  DO NOT pursue higher education!

  Wait, you graduated? HIRE THAN MAN! :)

  DO NOT seek fame and fortune!

  Wait, you're rich and famous now? INTERVIEW THAT MAN!!
  
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  Am I Overreacting Here?

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  let's call him "dave".. dave: hello?.

  dave: we dont have to tell you how she is.

  dave: <her mother> has custody.

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  pale.emperor

  I take it your ex has left the cult but is not dfd yet? If so that explains a lot. I’m seeing more and more cases of JWs getting away with more and more and as long as their not dfd then it’s all good.

  Yep, that's exactly it. She has a non-JW boyfriend now and they sleep over at each others houses. Nobody knows because she hasn't told them. They just assume she's not going to meetings for a bit but will "come to her senses".
  
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  Solicitors Visit Update

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in case you're not aware of my last two threads:.

  the situation that arose in that my mother has been having secret access to my daughter and refusing to tell me how she is: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5012900121935872/am-overreacting-here.

  the build up to my solicitors visit: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6284953638666240/solicitors-appontment-tomorrow-advice-appreciated.

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  nice one emperor. can i ask how you found out about that particular law practice ?
  

  and--without wishing to appear rude--what did that appointment cost you? PM me if you prefer.

  I just googled "Family Law Liverpool" and picked the highest rated one on google. The initial consultation was actually free. They give you your options and you go away and think about it and if you want to take it further that's where the money comes in.

  Fees were as follows:

  Them writing a threatening letter - £175

  Then it's £225 per hour the the associates services OR £125 per hour the the trainee to do it instead (who, i was assured was just as good and capable).

  Court costs vary but are around £300 and there'd be a minimum of two court visits. So tot up two court visits PLUS lawyers hourly fee's and you may as well just give them your bank cards.
  

  Yes, we're all in the wrong job!
  
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  Solicitors Visit Update

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  in case you're not aware of my last two threads:.

  the situation that arose in that my mother has been having secret access to my daughter and refusing to tell me how she is: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5012900121935872/am-overreacting-here.

  the build up to my solicitors visit: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6284953638666240/solicitors-appontment-tomorrow-advice-appreciated.

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  pale.emperor

  In case you're not aware of my last two threads:
  

  The situation that arose in that my mother has been having secret access to my daughter and refusing to tell me how she is: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5012900121935872/am-overreacting-here

  The build up to my solicitors visit: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6284953638666240/solicitors-appontment-tomorrow-advice-appreciated

  So i've just come back from my solicitors. One in the Albert Dock, Liverpool that specializes in family cases. Two female solicitors were there, one was an associate to the firm and the other a trainee.

  They had in front of them some case files of Jehovah's Witness child cases.

  I'd be here all day explaining all of it but the salient points are this:

  • Unless a court order is in place, neither parent has more rights than the other when it comes to their child.
  • Judges are very cautious when dealing with religious organizations. People can believe whatever they like, the only way a judge would impose something is if the child is in danger or risk of harm.
  • Courts couldn't care less about parents squabbling, they will go with the best interests of the child.
    

  I think we can all agree that those three points are fair and just?
  

  It used to be the case years ago that they'd favor the mother, but nowadays neither parents has "rights". They have responsibilities. It's the child that has rights. Rights to be fed, clothed, looked after, protected etc.

  They asked what concerns i have with my mother having access to my daughter. I brought a long:

  • The Secret To Family Happiness and shown them the part about "the rod" being needed to reprove.
  • The brochure, Enjoy Life On Earth Forever where it shows graphic pictures of Armageddon.
  • The Watchtower 2011, July 15th where it called us "mentally diseased".
  • The elders internal document instructing them to hinder medical professionals in administering blood for their JW children http://www.watchtowerwayback.org/jw-wb/English/Internal%20Documents/Blood/BLOOD%20How%20parents%20can%20protect%20their%20children%20from%20isuse%20of%20blood%20(S-55-E)%202010-09.pdf

  To say they were surprised in an understatement. The poor trainee was visibly disturbed by the Armageddon picture.

  I explained about the shunning and how it destroys families, that my mother is shunning me simply because i left the religion. And if my daughter became a JW then left she'd be shunned too.
  

  After an hour and a half of explaining the situation and my options they said the best thing would be to the the following stages:

  1. Make my point very clear to my ex that any contact our daughter has with my family is made through me alone. All she has to do is tell them "speak to pale.emperor".
  2. If that doesn't work, they'll write a strongly worded letter to my ex and my mum advising of the above and the intention to take the matter to court restricting their access entirely or imposing supervised visits.
  3. If that doesn't work, go to court and ask for supervised visits or restricted access. Also specify no religious instruction is to be given.
  4. If that doesn't work, court for full custody.

  I seriously doubt it'd come to 3 or 4.

  They asked why i left the religion. I explained about how controlling it is and the Australian Royal Commission. They were all ears. I explained about the Two Witness Rule and they looked confused and disgusted. I saw the trainee write down "Two witness rule" onto a yellow post-it. Let's hope they google the ARC.

  But when i got out of there I called my ex to tell her of my legal standing and that the idea that she has more legal rights than me simply because she's the mother is in fact not true. That spooked her. After 45mins of her asking me "please, why cant they arrange visits with our daughter via me and not you?" and me refusing to budge on it she's relented and said if they ask her she'll tell them to get in touch with me instead.
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  Most interesting info you've found

  by Freedom rocks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was wondering what is the most interesting or the strangest fact you've found out since leaving the jws about:.

  the bible.

  god .

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  pale.emperor

  I remember when i discovered the UN letter and i suddenly felt weak, feint and almost scared. It had so many knock on effects to my beliefs. I made me think that maybe there's a "higher level" of information that us normal members are not allowed to know unless we progress to some sort of secret level like the Scientologists have.

  Apart from that the Elders guidebook was a massive eyeopener for me. Then i read Crises Of Conscience and the rest is history.