Posts by pale.emperor

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Gonna read the new bible front to back

by Jayk in

i'm gonna read the new light bible front to back.

(see how far i make it).

besides wanting to read more.

pale.emperor

I would but i used my NWT bible for rolling papers. It was the only useful thing for it apart from using it to pick up the cat shit in the littler tray.

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"Demons" Living In My Brothers Gym Equipment

by pale.emperor in

spoke to my younger brother dan yesterday (he da'd about 6 months ago).

he was telling me that he got a visit from our older brother the day before.

our older brother was raised a jw but never committed, lives a full-on "worldly" life - smokes, binge drinks, hangs out with non-jws, but he's been studying for about 6 years would you believe?.

Spoke to my younger brother Dan yesterday (he DA'd about 6 months ago). He was telling me that he got a visit from our older brother the day before. Our older brother was raised a JW but never committed, lives a full-on "worldly" life - smokes, binge drinks, hangs out with non-JWs, but he's been studying for about 6 years would you believe?

So anyway, Dan is selling his freeweights, and older brother say's he'll buy them off him. Great. Wonderful. What could possibly go wrong?

A week later, older brother turns up and says he's not going to buy them after all because, after speaking an elder, it could bring demons into his home.

Demons. Really?

Yes, because you see, Dan studies Taoism and meditates. (It's actually benefited his life immensely. He's lost weight and overcome a lot of stress and anxiety issues). HOWEVER - as everyone knows, Taoism is surely from the devil and influenced by the demons. The demons are living in my brothers freeweights and if my older brother brought them home the demons would then be in his house.

Where do I even begin with this one?

Aren't they supposed to stop studying with someone who doesn't make changes after a certain length of time?
Demons like to live in gym equipment now?
Even if this were true, Jehovah is powerless to protect this person who is studying?
How come the demons dont live in my older brothers cigarettes and porn collection?
Isn't it funny how demons dont live in banknotes and coins that non-JWs might put into the contribution box?

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Overlapping Generations

by JRK in

jw
friends

i remember when that came out, my mother didn't catch it in the original article in the wt.

it was in one of the review "do you remember" thingies that she caught it.

she asked me if it means what she thought it meant.

pale.emperor

By the time this came out in print i was in the mindset of "this religion is the clostest thing to the truth, take it with a pinch of salt and dont say anything".

It's like the emperors new clothes, you see that it doesn't make sense but everyone else seems to accept it. Therefore they must be seeing something i missed because im not clever enough.

When in reality, everyone is thinking the above.

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Ryde ( I o Wight UK ) KH now a vets.

by stan livedeath in

was:.

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now:.

pale.emperor

Yearbook 2000, page 121
The Isle of Wight, off the south coast, has seven thriving congregations.

That's a 71% drop, what happened? Who's waters are supposed to be drying up again?

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JW MATCH——Is this an acceptable site for JWs?

by minimus in

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friends

how does watchtower.org feel about this site for jehovah’s witnesses who want to find a partner?.

pale.emperor

I doubt the site is actually set up by a JW. I wanted to see if anyone i knew was on there so signed up for a free account under the name SATAN THE DEVIL. Since then i keep getting emails telling me someone has "liked" me or sent me a message. Obviously bots just wanting me to sign up to a paid account.

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The Label Of "Apostate" And It's Effects

by pale.emperor in

in my psychology studies we've been examining the use of "labels" and how they influence peoples behaviour.

i sometimes wonder if the gb or their helpers know exactly what they're doing when it comes to psychological manipulation.. it's been observed that by labeling someone or something it changes your entire perception of that person or thing.

it colours it entirely, quite unfairly in some cases.

pale.emperor

Someone.... somewhere.... knows exactly what they are doing.

I sometimes wonder if the GB are really running this circus? Could there be a 9th member above them all? Could there be just one GB member who's wide awake and manipulating the others?

This would make a great movie.

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The Label Of "Apostate" And It's Effects

by pale.emperor in

in my psychology studies we've been examining the use of "labels" and how they influence peoples behaviour.

i sometimes wonder if the gb or their helpers know exactly what they're doing when it comes to psychological manipulation.. it's been observed that by labeling someone or something it changes your entire perception of that person or thing.

it colours it entirely, quite unfairly in some cases.

pale.emperor

If these scam artists can warn against propaganda and the like, they know what it is and how to use it.............and use it they do. Evidently.

The thing is though, when it comes to utilizing propaganda they're doing a crappy job of it. Look at the kind of propaganda Mao, Goebbels and the North Korean Kim dynasty have used. In North Korea people believed their "dear leader" controls the weather for crying out loud!

I think they're "having a bash at propaganda" but using it unskillfully - balls-ing it up. Sometimes they're quite good at it with their labels.

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The Label Of "Apostate" And It's Effects

by pale.emperor in

in my psychology studies we've been examining the use of "labels" and how they influence peoples behaviour.

i sometimes wonder if the gb or their helpers know exactly what they're doing when it comes to psychological manipulation.. it's been observed that by labeling someone or something it changes your entire perception of that person or thing.

it colours it entirely, quite unfairly in some cases.

pale.emperor

My opinion (valuable or valueless as it might be) is that the GB have not studied psychology. They are, for the most part, nitwits.

Yeah, i think we can all agree there.

I think it just sort of comes "organically". Leaders of high-control groups tend to have similar psychological & emotional profiles - that sort of person is "drawn" toward trying to control the thoughts & actions of others. I.e., such people tend to join, then "float" to the top of, such organizations.

I think you're probably right actually. I dont think this religion set itself out to become what it has now become. It's evolved over time with the right (or should i say, the "wrong") people with the biggest egos and bigger personalities finding themselves in the driving seat.

Have you noticed how they always insert their own adjectives into statements to?

"The Russian government have unjustly banned our work." - well, according to the Russian government it wasn't unjust at all.

"The unscriptural misuse of blood".

Take out the adjectives and you're left with simple statements. Add an adjective and you're directing someones thinking.

"The wonderful forum writer Sir82 bought me a Starbucks".

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The Label Of "Apostate" And It's Effects

by pale.emperor in

in my psychology studies we've been examining the use of "labels" and how they influence peoples behaviour.

i sometimes wonder if the gb or their helpers know exactly what they're doing when it comes to psychological manipulation.. it's been observed that by labeling someone or something it changes your entire perception of that person or thing.

it colours it entirely, quite unfairly in some cases.

pale.emperor

In my psychology studies we've been examining the use of "labels" and how they influence peoples behaviour. I sometimes wonder if the GB or their helpers know exactly what they're doing when it comes to psychological manipulation.

It's been observed that by labeling someone or something it changes your entire perception of that person or thing. It colours it entirely, quite unfairly in some cases. For example, if we asks someone about Bob, and someone says "Bob is an alcoholic" what do we now think about Bob? Perhaps we imagine his home strewn with beer bottles. A man who lacks self control, most likely ill and selfish to his own desires rather than providing for his family. Alcoholics sometimes hide their addiction, so maybe Bob is hiding alcohol right now?

Is this an unfair label? I'd say so. Nothing is said of the fact that Bob is a recovering alcoholic. He's been sober for 18 years and works as a teacher in a blind school. He raises money for those affected by alcoholism and runs recovery groups.

Now lets take most of us on here. The GB have given us the label of "apostate". Fortunately for the JWs, the GB have lovingly told them their definition of an apostate:

“Suppose that a doctor told you to avoid contact with someone who is infected with a contagious, deadly disease. You would know what the doctor means, and you would strictly heed his warning. Well, apostates are ‘mentally diseased’, and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings.” - Watchtower 15 July 2011

Now, think back to when we were JWs, what images were conjured up when you heard that word? Placards, angry faces, liars, dangerous, mentally diseased? Little was ever said of that fact that more than half of us were converts, meaning we were apostates according to other religions. Or that Jesus himself is regarded as an apostate by the majority of Judaism.

This is why it's vital that the Watchtower society keep on throwing that label around. Why it's important for them to liken us to Korah when in fact it's the GB themselves who are Korah, putting themselves in place of Moses (anti-type for Jesus).

We're a lot of things, not just one label. If we pay attention to what labels we're using it changes our entire perception. The further into my degree I go, and the more I learn, I wonder more and more if the GB have actually studied psychology themselves. Even when I did my hypnosis course, there were things there like loaded language and misdirecting the audience which the GB use all the time.

Notice the language the magazines use... "we" and "true Christians think such and such"... directing the reader to a conclusion.

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How do you feel about the elders?

by Lost in the fog in

oh dear, i recently made a comment about an elder being dogmatic.

and one of his best buddies sent me a wt article to help me realign my mind or something.

this is where reality separates from fantasy and fiction.

pale.emperor

Christian elders are not to be dictatorial, domineering, arbitrary, or harsh. Imitating Christ’s example, they endeavor to be loving, considerate, humble, and kind in their dealings with the sheep entrusted to their care.

The writer has obviously never met the elders of Speke congregation. If ever there were pharisee's in this religion they're in Speke!