Posts by Heartsafire

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Slim nd Cofty are both right.....

by The Rebel in

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i haven't had anything to contribute for a while so i have been lurking, which is a pleasant pastime.. anyway i have really enjoyd slimboyfats way of thinking, and i don't think such thinking needs discharge from the mental asylum.

i guess i am out of ammunition to argue with coftys may i say more rational thinking.. so whilst i find it difficult to refute what cofty says, i also find slimboyfats thinking refreshing, and that's why i say they are both right.

maybe a better explanation would be i once worshipped an organisation which was referred to as " mother" and it wrapped me up in baby diapers.. as far as i am concerned both slim and cofty are independent thinkers, no longer controlled by the insane thinking and rhetoric of other people.

Heartsafire

The POV's on here do challenge my thinking and beliefs. That's why I love this forum. Without exposure to different angles of thinking one cannot grow mentally. Perhaps this is why I find the Borg so repressive and unbearable with their one-note-tune teachings.

I find that when someone's fair statements make me angry or react than there is a reason for it, and I try to examine why I resist their ideas. Sometimes the ideas we find shocking at first are actually our minds introduced to a new concept. Shakes up our world!

HAF

edited to say: I really like cofty's factual approach and SBF's abstract thought.

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Since you left, have you become more moral?

by Coded Logic in

respect.

sympathy.

gossip.

Heartsafire

Yes, I am definitely more moral. I am more conscientious of what I say and do because I don't feel like I'm elevated over others anymore. Ive finally joined the human race, and I want to make the world a better place starting with me.

HAF

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" none of us has died yet "

by prologos in

this phrase made me perk up my ear for a moment during this week's video demonstration.

this "follow-up remark was to the "householder's" affirmation that we do not know what happens at death.

religions use scare tactics to keep members captive, so is this a hook wt introduces early?

Heartsafire

It does appear to be a fear inducing way to grab the attention of a householder. People fear death and what might be an afterlife in Hell. As for being a "hook" I cannot confirm. I've missed too many meetings to know if this has been used in a KH presentation. However, I would put nothing past the creeps who write this stuff.

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Women in this Org are looking for a Father Figure

by xjwsrock in

this is a rant mainly in response to my wife's reaction to the stupid clam meeting last night.

bear in mind, while i am not sexist, i am also not politically correct.

.... it is no secret that the women in this organization outnumber the men.

Heartsafire

This is so true! I have long been bewildered by women who are more interested in a relationship with this odious org than with their own husbands, children, and people around them. They really are filling a void of some sort. I remember seeing this with my own mother who had a horrible relationship with my dad and he was a JW! I think they maintain some fantasy of the perfect guy and assign that to God. Maybe they never shake the fantasy stories of the royal prince coming to take them to his kingdom. In my mothers eyes she had the perfect relationship with God, so if she had a problem with you than so did Jehober. If you disagreed with her than you disagreed with Jehober. There is no reasoning with people like that! And yes there are definitely brothers who think this way too. Between their inflated egos, fear, and brainwashing they cant come to terms with reality.

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Chatted with an old JW friend

by Driving Force in

df.

Heartsafire

Driving Force, that's quite a conversation! I think u may have woken up your friend or planted a seed. And hey, I didn't even know the Borg bought shares in porn industry and weapons?! I think I'd like those docs for my personal collection. Got a link for that?

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My Bethel Experience Part 7

by new boy in

besides the about 48 hours you worked there a week, you would have other duties too.

there was dish duties.

then you had the night watchmen duties.........once every 2-3 years in the home, you pulled an all night watchman duty.

Heartsafire

New boy, I have been gobbling up these bethel stories. I don't want them to end! Several close friends and family of mine are/were in bethel. People don't always share their stories, but when they do I am never disappointed. Please tell me you have a part 8.

HAF

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Watchtowers policy of shunning our own close relatives

by Truthexplorer in

having looked over the february' 2016 wt study article ' learn from jehovah's loyal servants' and meditating on the 'advice' from the fds aka gb regarding the shunning of our own close relatives if they have been disfellowshipped.

the example in par 7 highlighting how a woman called anne shuns her own mother for 'as she says' cutting herself off from jehovah.

i can't help but wonder how audacious and wreckless watchtower is in writing this stuff.

Heartsafire

You would think these fear tactics would grow stale with the r&f. Shun your mother? What parents want their children thinking this is divine guidance from God? Sickening.

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Wt says show principal love by shunning fellow humans.

by poopie in

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Heartsafire

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The story of my exit

by mrsObfuscate in

i have been lurking here for about 6 months, and being the last day of the year, and ready to start the new one afresh, i want to share the story of our exit from the org.

i have found the personal experiences of others of immeasurable value, (and its been a while since a good exit story has been posted) that i hope this can be of benefit to at least someone.. .

my mother became a jehovahs witness when i was about 9 or 10. i remember initially hating all of the new sanctions put on our lives (no birthdays and christmas anymore) but for some reason i soon after joined her in attending the meetings and eventually got baptized at the age of 14. my staunch catholic father converted a couple of years later.

Heartsafire

Welcome Mrs Obfuscate! I enjoyed reading your personal story very much. My favorite part was when you found ttatt and enrolled in University. Also, thanks for that direct ARC link.

HAF

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Rivalry among the sisters

by Esmeralda001 in

when i was first introduced to the "truth", i was so distracted by the love and affection that the members were showing me that i was ready to convert into the religion without thinking twice.

i was conviced that jws were god's people (i still think some of them are).

i made it my goal to get baptized as i wanted to be part of the "only" religion that produce such good people.

Heartsafire

With "friends" like the sisters in the KH, who needs enemies, right? I quit playing their games long ago. Gave up on that whole mess. I've never been super close with the sisters as I could see it was all a game early on. Ask any Bethelite about the older sisters at Bethel. You know, the wives of the "lifers". They have their own category of meanness altogether. Lol.

Good for you on wearing your MK stuff. I like Mk brand too. He makes an amazing wedge and his saffiano leather bags last a lifetime. If any sister is hassling you over your clothes, consider it a compliment as they most likely are jealous:-).