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  Universal Sovereignty

  by incognito2014 in

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  i always thought this was nonsense, just an excuse for why there’s suffering.. but just assuming there really is this very long period of human history to allow god to prove his sovereignty.

  this issue that affects every being not just on the planet but in the universe .

  it’s a big deal and one that is so important that billions of people have had to suffer for 6,000 years.. .

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  Universal Sovereignty doctrine is just mis-direction to hide the doctrine of Salvation.
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  What Does Secular History Tell Us About the Twelve Apostles? - From National Geographic.

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.

  these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.

  link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.

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  the Apostles may be as lacking in Historical support as the Knights of the Round Table

  Phizzy, that is pure fantasy. These are the facts agreed upon by skeptic and non-skeptic scholar alike.

  Deal with it:

  1. Jesus died by crucifixion.

  2. He was buried.

  3. His death caused the disciples to despair and lose hope.

  4. The tomb was empty.

  5. The apostles & disciples had experiences which they believed were literal appearances of the risen Jesus (the most important proof).

  6. The disciples were transformed from doubters to bold proclaimers.

  7. The resurrection was the central message.

  8. They preached the message of Jesus’ resurrection in Jerusalem. (where it all happened)

  9. The Church was born and grew.

  10. Orthodox Jews who believed in Christ made Sunday their primary day of worship.

  11. James was converted to the faith when he saw the resurrected Jesus (James was a family skeptic).

  12. Paul was converted to the faith (Paul was an outsider skeptic).
  
  The apostles are only remembered because of testifying to the utterly astounding reality of a man coming back from the dead, just as he predicted that he would. This proved that he possessed the power of eternal life if true. This of course should be of interest to every man, woman and child on earth as it directly impacts their future; especially since this man offered this same kind of life to "whosoever".

  Because of the work of the apostles in spreading the good news of unending life, the entire world counts time from the life of this one man.

  Please provide a reasonable naturalistic explanation for each of the 12 facts listed above. This invitation is extended to not only you, but john prestor and FTS as well as anyone else.
  
  
  
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  What Does Secular History Tell Us About the Twelve Apostles? - From National Geographic.

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.

  these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.

  link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.

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  John,

  Are you feeling ok? First you say that you never heard of the Minimal Facts argument and now you say that you "heard it all before".
  
  Is there something specific from Professor Habermas argument that you found to be false?

  Looks to be pretty sound scholarship to me.
  
  P.S. So were you never a JW? ....just fundamentalist Baptist? Please explain.

  Also, are you a mythisist (believing that JESUS never existed)?

  Thanks
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  Crazy WT stories

  by scruffmcbuff in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  dennis was offered £5 by cool kids smoking pot and fornicating.

  he turned it down and went to read the wt as he turned the page.

  what did he see?a £5 note.

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  The one I heard my father repeatedly relate was this:
  
  One old timer pioneer brother got into a heated debate at the door of a wealthy man's large home. The househoulder tried to shut the door. But the old pioneer put his foot in it for one final comment. He said, "One day in the new system, I'm gonna live in this big home".
  
  Years later, at a convention the old pioneer brother felt a tap on his shoulder. When he turned around, he was met by the very same householder who said, "Hey brother..... if you still want that house your going to have to buy it now, I just got baptized" !
  
  What a happifying day that proved to be, I'm sure.
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  What Does Secular History Tell Us About the Twelve Apostles? - From National Geographic.

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.

  these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.

  link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.

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  Hi John,

  You already stated that you are not familiar with the minimal facts argument. None of the 12 points above rely on the gospels. The world's top atheist / agnostic NT scholars allow for several other books of the NT to be genuine. Using these data... the resurrection happened.
  
  These facts can be determined using critical scholars own allowances, which are extremely minimal......hence the term "Minimal Facts Argument."
  
  The books that the critical scholars allow, together with their embedded creed statements, take us back to within a year or two of the Crucifixion.
  
  Does this surprise you?
  
  The questions these minimal facts generate are endless if the resurrection did not happen; making it more likely than not from an evidence standpoint.

  The bottom line is: The evidence is overwhelming when compared to what we have for other historical figures and events. This lecture explains.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5znVUFHqO4Q
  
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  Merry Christmas 🎄

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it’s that awesome time of year again...... food.

  drink.

  tree.

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  Merry Christmas Everyone!
  
  How about some photos folks?
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  Jehovah's Witnesses adhering to a commercialized lying and corrupt false prophet the Watchtower Corporation

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  after doing some critical research upon the watchtower corporation and its activity as a religious publishing house one can clearly see this is a commercialized false prophet run by sinning apostate men.. so the question remains why are people adhering and supporting this organization thinking they are going to gain salvation come judgment day by jesus ?.

  jesus laid out instructions in how to identify false prophets, maybe he should have elaborated and said something about false prophets who would sell his gospel for profit.

  this relates to more than the men who ran the wts.

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  Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. - Mt. 23:10 (NASB)

  Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save. - Ps. 146: 3 (NIV)

  .... We were warned!
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  What Does Secular History Tell Us About the Twelve Apostles? - From National Geographic.

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.

  these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.

  link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.

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  School clothes Smiddy. One of their dress-up days.
  
  I'm surprised that more people don't post more family pictures. 17 years ago when I joined this forum, I decided to use my real name and photo as my avatar. Best decision I ever made. Although I left for reasons of conscience (generation doctrine), I got shunned anyway. I guess sending my elder-appointed brothers and father a simultaneous letter outlining the crimes of the Watchtower didn't help.

  I never experienced the power and blessing of God until I confessed him publicly to my family.... apart from the Watchtower.
  
  While I was 40 yrs. old & single at the time, by the grace of God - they were replaced. I also have strong reason to believe that although I was denied being able to visit with my mom in her last few days, she may have experienced a death-bed conversion and accepted Jesus as her personal Savior.
  
  
  
  
  
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  What Does Secular History Tell Us About the Twelve Apostles? - From National Geographic.

  by fulltimestudent in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.

  these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.

  link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.

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  Merry Christmas Everyone!

  

  This is the list of Minimum Facts that Professor Habermas states that most skeptic scholars will allow. (university level and not basement bloggers)

  The criteria for evidence they (the skeptic scholars) demand is far higher than for any other historical figure or event. But even using this unrealistic standard, you can still get to these 12.

  This obviously includes the historicity of some of the apostles as well.
  
  
  
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  1981 quote made my blood boil

  by neat blue dog in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just got so angry coming across this quote from the wt, shortly after raymond franz was disfellowshipped:.

  one who has been a true christian might renounce the way of the truth, stating that he no longer considers himself to be one of jehovah’s witnesses or wants to be known as one.

  when this rare event occurs, the person is renouncing his standing as a christian.

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  Yep....that's them: Judge, Jury & Executioner

  (in their delusional dreams)