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  What's The Longest Bible Study Length You Heard Of?

  by Perry in

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  i knew a sister in my old congregation that had two sons and i actually studied with one.

  i left the org, went back to college, new job etc.

  then i ran into her about ten years later at a store.

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  so sorry to hear that the raisin.

  Watchertowerism does not produce changed lives just changed lies.
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  Would mankind be better off without religion today ? A topical debate .

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is an interesting debate paneled by people representing both pro and con aspects of religion as a ideological concept in human sociality.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfix_e1qnbm.

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  Dawkins is not consistent. He believes in intelligent design if it comes from aliens but not from anywhere else. He says he's an atheist, is described as the worlds foremost atheist, until you pin him down on how he can know.... then he changes his description of himself to agnostic. He's a creepy character in my opinion.

  Your question is like asking if the world would be better off without atheism. I don't want to live in a world where freedom is eliminated for anyone.
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  Would mankind be better off without religion today ? A topical debate .

  by Finkelstein in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is an interesting debate paneled by people representing both pro and con aspects of religion as a ideological concept in human sociality.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfix_e1qnbm.

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  Perry

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QERyh9YYEis

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlZtEjtlirc&feature=related
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  What's The Longest Bible Study Length You Heard Of?

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i knew a sister in my old congregation that had two sons and i actually studied with one.

  i left the org, went back to college, new job etc.

  then i ran into her about ten years later at a store.

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  Good Point!

  I was a rebellious teen for a few years, so my family had me study with an older man in the congregation. His wife always made me feel creepy the way she looked at me. She later left him and was disfellowshipped. Surprise, surprise. Anyway, he studied the United in Worship book with me. Anybody remember that one?

  It had a weird format; not the typical questions at the bottom of the page. It was the most boring experience ever. I always felt like if this stuff was all that, why was everyone sinning so much.
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  You're Never Good Enough

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've talked with a number of jws who have commented that they feel like failures -- that they're never good enough.. if that resonates with someone reading this post, please realize that you are by no means the only one who feels like that.. in fact, the whole wt system depends on keeping jws feeling that way.

  the gb wants you to feel that way.. think about it.

  you are always reading or hearing about someone who puts in an extraordinary number of hours in field service or someone who goes out more than you do despite having twice as many challenges and responsibilities.

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  Judaism teaches all humans get to Gan Eden.

  Sorta like the Jehovah's Witnesses teach all you have to do is die and you'll wake up in paradise? I'll ask you the same question I ask JW's... who pays the blood penalty for your sin in your view?

  15 Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the veil, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:
  16 And he shall make an atonement for the holy place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions in all their sins

  What do you think the average Jew believed would happen to his soul if didn't make atonement for his sins?
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  You're Never Good Enough

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've talked with a number of jws who have commented that they feel like failures -- that they're never good enough.. if that resonates with someone reading this post, please realize that you are by no means the only one who feels like that.. in fact, the whole wt system depends on keeping jws feeling that way.

  the gb wants you to feel that way.. think about it.

  you are always reading or hearing about someone who puts in an extraordinary number of hours in field service or someone who goes out more than you do despite having twice as many challenges and responsibilities.

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  No matter what we do, unless we accept Christ, we are worthless in God's eyes, according to Christians.

  Knowsnothing,

  You are missing the point. We certainly are not worthless in God's estimation. Just helplessly sold into sin. We have no choice in the matter; it came with being born.

  If a man gets married and decides he'll never look at another woman, and then does at times, who or what is in control? Him or his sin? What about if I decide I'll never lie, then lie. Is it me in control or my sin?

  It seems perfectly reasonable to me that if I have the capacity to imagine moral correctness, I should be able to live it. Life experience proves otherwise. That's all God is saying. He's just reminding us to not fool ourselves into thinking that we can make ourselves righteous, no matter how many good works we do. They can never erase failures. Justice demands that the failures be addressed. And, he showed just how much he valued humans by addressing those failures on the cross, by vicariously taking the penalty for sin upon himself.
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  Questions From Thinkers

  by Perry in

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  how do you explain david's graphic portrayal of jesus' death by crucifixion (psalm 22) 1000 years before christ lived?.

  how do you account for the odds (1 in 10 to the 157th power) that even just 48 (of 300) old testament prophecies were fulfilled in jesus christ?.

  in what sense was jesus a "good man" if he was lying in his claim to be god?.

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  What about the thousands of interdependent parts and chemical processes of a single cell? All the parts and functions must be there simutanously in order for it to function. What possible explanation could there be other than design and purpose?

  I'd have to dig back into a fair amount of astrophysics to get up to speed on it, but didn't that end up getting worked into dark matter/energy?

  Not really, though I'm sure its related somehow. Basically, if the math and tolerances of the universe were off by just an infitesimal fraction of one percent, nothing in the material universe could exist.
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  How many would remain?

  by jam in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if you were able to lock up a 100 jws, gag them just.

  enough to keep them from talking.

  lets, say two weeks.

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  They love the organization... that's the bottom line. Perhaps A moral justification for such a kidnapping might be that they have been lied to A LOT. But, at the end of the day, people can (and should) choose whom or what they will love above all else. This is what many have chosen.

  I know that my father attended a Baptist church as a young teen. I know he must have heard the gospel then. When I reminded him that Christ said that a person must be born again to enter the kingdom of God, he immediately retorted,"that's what you say". It seemed to make little difference that Jesus was the author and I was just repeating what he said.

  I pray frequently that he changes his mind. But, to answer your question, I think most would stay and accept the lauding of others how they remained strong during the "persecution" etc.
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  You're Never Good Enough

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've talked with a number of jws who have commented that they feel like failures -- that they're never good enough.. if that resonates with someone reading this post, please realize that you are by no means the only one who feels like that.. in fact, the whole wt system depends on keeping jws feeling that way.

  the gb wants you to feel that way.. think about it.

  you are always reading or hearing about someone who puts in an extraordinary number of hours in field service or someone who goes out more than you do despite having twice as many challenges and responsibilities.

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  What was the point of the parable of the Good Samaritan, then?

  To vividly illustrate an answer to the question: Who is my neighbor? Not as a path to salvation.

  "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight"
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  What's The Longest Bible Study Length You Heard Of?

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i knew a sister in my old congregation that had two sons and i actually studied with one.

  i left the org, went back to college, new job etc.

  then i ran into her about ten years later at a store.

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  Perry

  I knew a sister in my old congregation that had two sons and I actually studied with one. I left the org, went back to college, new job etc. Then I ran into her about ten years later at a store. After a brief how-do-you-do she excitedly told me how her now adult son had started studying again. I later calculated that he must have studied off and on for over ten or twelve years.

  What's the longest bible study you ever heard of?