Posts by Perry

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Noah's Ark and I'm a dumbass

by new22day in

walking down memory lane today and recalled a convo with my ex about noah's ark.

(i made all the rookie mistakes when talking to my ex about jw stuff -sigh.

) i think i said something like 'if you believe in noah's ark take the cat and a mouse from the backyard for a drive around the block and let me know how it goes.

Perry

It's interesting to me how some scientists believe in the evidence of mars being covered in water

And then with a straight face, claim that an earthly global flood is impossible.

Christianity and science are inextricably intertwined. A Global Flood point of view was only recently rejected by many and was specifically predicted that scoffing at such would be a viable sign indicating the approaching or nearness of Christ's return.

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, ...saying, ... for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation [modern uniformitarianism belief]. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that ...the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: - 2 Peter 3

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I don't know if this is already posted

by mouthy in

please for give me if it is.

i just received a call from an ex jw who was df the same time as me.. for not accepting 1914..... she picked up the wt at the library,jan 1st 2013 page 8 they there .

admit they have made errors in the dates they have given.....maybe this is why so many are leaving.. they told us that 1914 born folks would see armegeddon .i was born in 1927...i am 86 in may????.

Perry

Ahhh shucks grandma [blush]

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Jehovahs Witnesses and psychiatric diagnoses?

by Marvin Shilmer in

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friends

jehovahs witnesses and psychiatric diagnoses?.

today i added a new article to my blog sharing information from a 1983 study published in the journal for the scientific study of religion addressing religious affiliation and psychiatric diagnoses.

this article pulls information from an excellent academic study that is often misunderstood and therefore underutilized for its value.

Perry

This is one area where I think religion can excel and I would expect to see a higher incidence of mental issues in the same way I would expect to find more sick people in a hospital.

Qcmbr,

When you consider the MANY studies that prove the health benefits of praying, it makes the JW propensity for mental illness all the more perverse because it bucks the trend.

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I don't know if this is already posted

by mouthy in

please for give me if it is.

i just received a call from an ex jw who was df the same time as me.. for not accepting 1914..... she picked up the wt at the library,jan 1st 2013 page 8 they there .

admit they have made errors in the dates they have given.....maybe this is why so many are leaving.. they told us that 1914 born folks would see armegeddon .i was born in 1927...i am 86 in may????.

Perry

Thanks for the post Mouthy! I too have appreciated your contributions over the years. I left in '95 with the jettisoning of the generation doctrine. At that time I saw the writing on the wall RE: 1914 and packed my bags & adios.

Now, if they'd just come clean on the Mediator issue, perhaps many could avoid judgment after they die.

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Leaps in Logic Reguarding The Faithful Slave of Matt:25:42-46 and The Governing Body Claim of Authority it Gives Them

by frankiespeakin in

do you see anything even remotely in these scripture that fore tell a future slave that would dominate the rest of the slaves with a publishing company?

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42 therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your lord will come.43 but understand this: if the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.44 so you also must be ready, because the son of man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.. 45 who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?46 it will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns..

Perry

Pharaoh put Joseph in charge, literally, of the food supplies. In addition, Pharaoh made Joseph second in all his kingdom and gave him full authority over everything but the throne. It's a very similar relationship between Jehovah and Jesus.

leaving quietly,

I don't see how there could be much of a similarity there. Hebrews 1:5 reads:

For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

The answer of course is NONE. Jesus is unique in that he ALONE was begotten by God, not created. He posessed dna from his mother, but was not a clone of Mary.... obviously because he was male. God supplied the other half of the necessary substance from his own being and thus begot the figure we call Jesus.

One of the qualities of God's substance is his omnipresence. Hence we see Jesus referring to his divinity at times such as this:

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.- John 3: 13 KJV (Majority Text)

The Son of Man was both in heaven and on earth at the same time, just as God can be.

Other times, Jesus speaks from the standpoint of his humanity. This dual nature of Jesus is the only way to reconcile ALL of his statements.

Matthew 28:18 - And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

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Paradigm Change

by Perry in

old paradigm.

christianity.

transition.

Perry

Of course it is inevitible Satan:

These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them...15And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. - Rev. 17

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Question about Jesus and Armageddon

by TheStumbler in

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friends

i have a question about armageddon.. my understanding is that the watchtower teaches that only jws will survive armageddon.

following the great trubulation and time of trouble, when the world's forces turn on true religion (jws), god will step in an kill everone (apart from his true followers).. .

i've been talking to a jw recently who seems to be suggesting that the casualties will be due to human warfare in the great tribulation so will be man's fault - not jehovah's.

Perry

The JW view is that Jehovah kills everyone at armageddon for not responding to Wt literature and getting saved by being in the organization (ark). The biblical view is that Jesus returns to save the remnant of Israel that turn to him during this time. At the time of his return about 2/3 of earth's population will already be dead from wars promoted by the Antichrist.

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Leaps in Logic Reguarding The Faithful Slave of Matt:25:42-46 and The Governing Body Claim of Authority it Gives Them

by frankiespeakin in

do you see anything even remotely in these scripture that fore tell a future slave that would dominate the rest of the slaves with a publishing company?

.

42 therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your lord will come.43 but understand this: if the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.44 so you also must be ready, because the son of man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.. 45 who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?46 it will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns..

Perry

King James Version:

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant , whom his lord hath made rule r over his household , to give the meat in due season ?
46 Blessed is that servant , whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing .

When I was growing up, in our house the Wathctower Publishing House was referred to as "The Slave", as if it was a title. Naturally, I just copied what others around me used.

The KJV uses the indefinite article "a" instead of "the" for an accurate conveyance of meaning. It is astonishing to me how such an incredibly minor word difference can be used to rob God of his authority and set up an idol in his place.

Truly, humans are EASILY fooled.

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SPECIAL SEATING ARRANGEMENTS FOR ELDERS AND ELDERETTES ARE HERE!

by AuntConnie in

we have special seating arrangements in my kingdom hall where other families know they are not to go near them!

a trouble making family would intentionally take our seats until we made their life hell by lying about them.

they left our paradise kingdom hall and now i am working on changing the color of our the seats(purple, scarlet) the elders and elderettes will be sitting on.

Perry

DOC,

Just try a new church.

Leave the poison, take the cannoli

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Paradigm Change

by Perry in

old paradigm.

christianity.

transition.

Perry

Old Paradigm Christianity	Transition Humanism	New Paradigm Globalism
Biblical Absolutes & Values	Relative Values	Global Absolutes & Values
God, the Creator of all things, is our Sovereign, Wise, Almighty and Eternal King.... Jesus, the Son, gave His Life to free us from guilt and judgment. He loves and guides us...He is the source of "Good"	God is a crutch or illusion	An impersonal universal god (pantheism) makes all things one (monism). All religions must be reformed and adapted as models for a new unifying global spirituality. A return to Pre-Flood Paganism
Emphasizes oneness & unity in Christ (doesn't include the Cults)	Emphasizes human self-sufficiency	Emphasizes the collective: Individuals have value according to their contribution to the "Greater Whole"
Teaches internal, moral, personal responsibility toward God & neighbor	Teaches external human rights	Teaches collective duties or responsibilities
Don't tolerate sin (but love sinners)	Tolerate all lifestyles	Don't tolerate dissenters (zero tolerance, dissenters are dealt with harshly)
Trust God	Trust human reason	Trust the rising global (foreign) establishment

Anyone else notice this happening?