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Posts by Perry
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What Child Is This? Oh My God!
by Perry inhebrews 1: in the new world translation.
now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things.
he is the reflection of gods glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power....for example, to which one of the angels did god ever say: you are my son; today i have [begotten thee] become your father?
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Hebrews 1: in the New World translation
Now at the end of these days he has spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. He is the reflection of God’s glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power....For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have [begotten thee] become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let all of God’s angels do obeisance [worship] to him.”
Jesus is utterly unique, singular, and unlike the angels....God's ONLY BEGOTTEN , bearing 50% of his being from the essence of God.... just as we all bear 50% of our DNA from our father. Since God is Omni-Present he cannot be divided. So, Jesus is fully God...bearing his essence AND the son of the luckiest woman who ever lived. He sustains ALL THINGS by the power of his word ALONE.
Happy Birthday Jesus.... my God. Crank it up.
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I am not pro-abortion, but I am pro-choice. I do not want to see America turn back to the days of butchery
Have you ever looked at images of butchered children with their brains sucked out, spinal corrds snipped, and the limbs severed to get them out???????
Gods justice is an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Those that support abortion, those that have done it, and especially those that advocate for it deserve at the very least that the same done to them in Hell.
This is not my standard, but Gods. This is true justice. Those that do it for medical reasons..... I'll just let God be the judge and figure that one out.
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WHAT THE D.O SAID THE BIBLE SAYS... ABOUT SALVATION.
by DATA-DOG inone more highlight from the ca...for now... how to survive the end.
the bible says:.
1) prayer.
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It's about the same (more or less) as any works based religion ... which is all of them except for Christianity.
Eph. 2: 8 By this undeserved kindness you have been saved through faith, and this is not of your own doing; rather, it is God’s gift. 9 No, it is not a result of works, so that no one should have grounds for boasting. - New World Transaltion
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UK Mother Gives Birth to Healthy Baby Girl After Being Advised to Abort ‘Brain Damaged’ Child
Doctors are very wrong sometimes.
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JW's Unanswerable Question & Why Doesn't Everyone Take Them to Task For This?
by Perry inthe one question that is absolutely unanswerable by jehovah's witnesses that actually understand their own doctrines is this:.
can you show me even one new testament scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven while outside of the new covenant?.
most of us are familiar with the one proof scripture that has all the necessary elements tied together into one neat doctrine - matther 26: 27,28:.
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myelaine,
I can't say that I disagree with anything substantive that Tec wrote direcly above. As for anyone being saved without having made a conscious decision for Christ, there is little to support that in my opinion. However, there are a couple references that make me think it might be possible. I would certainly never teach such a thing though because it wasn't the message that was delivered to us from the apostles. But I try not to limit the providence of God in my own mind at least.
tec,
If the marriage supper of the Lamb takes place in heaven during the 7 year tribulation period here on earth (as many Christians privately believe), then the 144,000 Israelites and the Great Multitude of other believers that survive the tribulation would probably not be included in the "Bride of Christ" even though they are all still part of the New Covenant and are declared righteous by the poured out blood of Christ in their stead.
My main point is: There is no biblical imperative that requires that the members of the New Covenant be limited to only the "Bride of Christ", that I'm aware of. It is the Watchtower that makes that limiting distinction. The New Covenant is "for the forgiveness of sins", and not for a heavenly hope as opposed to a earthly hope per se. That is a misdirection and sleight of hand tactic. The primary hope of Christians is not exclusively for a destination, ie. heaven or earth, but rather to escape the Judgment due us for our sin, which is guaranteed by God's own blood.
Acts 20:28 "Feed the church of GOD, which he hath purchased with HIS OWN BLOOD." - KJV
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JW's Unanswerable Question & Why Doesn't Everyone Take Them to Task For This?
by Perry inthe one question that is absolutely unanswerable by jehovah's witnesses that actually understand their own doctrines is this:.
can you show me even one new testament scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven while outside of the new covenant?.
most of us are familiar with the one proof scripture that has all the necessary elements tied together into one neat doctrine - matther 26: 27,28:.
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tec,
Sounds like we are in basic agreement. I am still unsure as to whether or not the 144,000 tribulation Jewish believers and the blood washed great crowd covenant members (tribulation survivors) are part of the bride of Christ.
My understanding is that the OT Jews were the bride (wife) of Jehovah, the NT believers (during the church age) are the bride of Christ and the billions of people born during the Millenium are subjects of the Kingdom and its heirs, primarily Jesus.
This is all a moot point as far as salvation goes. We are ALL saved from the GWT Judgment at the end of the Millenium by nothing more or less than the grace of God expressed in the Blood Covenant and our faith in it. "We are saved by grace through faith".
Perhaps others more knowledgeable could comment on the bride of Christ aspect?
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JW's Unanswerable Question & Why Doesn't Everyone Take Them to Task For This?
by Perry inthe one question that is absolutely unanswerable by jehovah's witnesses that actually understand their own doctrines is this:.
can you show me even one new testament scripture that shows how a person can get their sins forgiven while outside of the new covenant?.
most of us are familiar with the one proof scripture that has all the necessary elements tied together into one neat doctrine - matther 26: 27,28:.
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Interesting exchange between Myelaine and Tec. I knew it was only a matter of time before this got brought up. These kinds of questions are going to be common among JW's and ex-Jw's. So, we might as well grapple with them now.
I'll try to succiently state the issue: If we are saved by the blood of the covenant and not by works, then how is it that the sheep are allowed into the Milenium based on how they treated Christ's brothers? Though not brought up by Meelaine and Tammy, one could also ask how Jesus could make the statement: "the one who has endured to the end is the one who will be saved".
1.) First let me state that all of these statements are true. To understand, we're going to have to adopt the 30,000 ft. view instead of the 25ft. view. To do so, there is no better way than to look at Daniels' 70 week prophecy as a template.
2.) We also need to understand the definition of what it means to be saved, and what we are saved from. And, can we be saved from more than one terrible fate? We also need to understand what a sheep is and if a sheep can be in a positionally different condition than a saved person.
But even before this, we need to understand that the church age is a great parentheses in the plan of God that he started with mankind beginning with Abraham. In Old Testament times, the church age was a mystery and was not seen by the OT prophets, though there are a few vague allusions to it. The prophets (and Jesus was one of them) spoke primarily to the Jews, not to the gentiles. Like the chart below illustrates they spoke about current events and could see into the future Milenium and also knew about Judgment Day. The Church age (the age of grace) was not seen and was not generally spoken about (there are exceptions though). In the chart below, the prophets saw and wrote about the peaks, but the valley of the church age was generally not.
We know that 69 weeks of years in Daniels' prophecy elapsed, and exactly on time the Messiah appeared. But then the prophetic clock stopped. This ushered in the age of Grace, the church age - which was unseen by the Old Testament prophets. But, what about the 70th week? God still owes the Jews one more week, the final week. This final week will begin with a Peace Agreement broked by the Anit-Christ with modern day Israel. At that time the Age of Grace (the Church Age) will be over.
God dealt with the nation of Israel based on what they did; similarly during this final week what a person does will also imact their destiny during the final 'week' of Daniel's prophecy. Apparently, how a person treats the Jews (Christ's brothers) during this time will determine whether or not they are allowed to enter into the Milenium. If they weren't already, probably at this time the ones allowed to enter the Millenium will be "saved" by faith in the blood of the covenant from not only this judgment of who gets to enter the Millenium, but also from the Great White Throne judgment of the unsaved at the end of the Millenium.
Now, we know that there will be sin and death in the Millenium, and at the same time people will live to great ages:
People who live during the Millennium will not die young. A person one hundred years old will be considered a child, since, presumably, a person could live throughout the 1000 years in the restored environment (Isaiah 65:20-23). Sickness will not be a problem because "The sun of righteousness shall arise with healing in its wings" (Malachi 4:2). Later yet, after the New Earth is established, the Tree of Life will be accessible to mankind. Its leaves are "for the healing of the nations" (Revelation 22:2).
So, probably some of the children of the original subjects of the Millenium would later choose to sin and would somhow die during that time. While I do not think that the sheep who are allowed to enter have glorified bodies like the church age saints have who were by that time previously raptured, one thing is for sure - they are still declared righteous by their faith in the finished work of Christ on the Cross and the blood covenant.
So what I'm saying is that while treating Christ's Brothers (the Jews) kindly during the Great Tribulation might get you entrance into the Millenium (if you are lucky enough to survive until the end), it won't be enough to spare you from the Great White Throne Judgment at the end of the Millenium.
Whole books could be written on this subject, and there are acceptable variations of the above template I've laid out. But, I believe the above represents a sampling of mainstraem conservative and historical Christian thought on this matter.
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In some cultures "It's a Jew" does it; in others "It's a girl" does it.
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I Found Out Why I Can't Find My Keys But My Wife Usually Can!
by Perry intypical male brain top, typical female brain below.. .
researchers found that many of the connections in a typical male brain run between the front and the back of the same side of the brain, whereas in women the connections are more likely to run from side to side between the left and right hemispheres of the brain.
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Typical Male brain top, typical female brain below.
Researchers found that many of the connections in a typical male brain run between the front and the back of the same side of the brain, whereas in women the connections are more likely to run from side to side between the left and right hemispheres of the brain. Article
All this time I thought she just had a better memory than me! Guess I wasn't in my right mind.
