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  Fallacies about Faith

  by tec in

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  peace to you!.

  this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.

  this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.

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  Perry

  It should not surprise us that authors of Biblical material were obsessed with obedience and the idea there was some intrinsic defect of humans that caused bad behavior. However, such, I now believe, is a terrible way to view our fellow humans. To assume the starting position is defective and by God, they better hope for the grace of God, or else they're doomed.

  rawe,

  But it's true. We cannot live up to our highest ideals. We can imagine them, but we can't get there. We want our high sounding religions and ideologies, our rules etc., etc. etc. but not Him personally. People want a system where they can participate in their salvation. God says no. You cannot partcipate in your own salvation, it is a gift. Life is in HIM....period. It is not found anywhere else.

  When God finally took the form of man and manifested our highest ideals, we killed him for it because we loved our traditions and systematic ways of betterment rather than the Author of it all. Man is utterly depraved and is infected with vanity. He naturally sees only himself usually displayed in the form of a god, ideology or idol that he fashions in his own image. The WT is just another idol.

  I chose the real deal after leaving the WT. God revealed himself to me and continually does so. I am NEVER alone, and he continually adds to me and what is mine based on my stewardship of what he entrusts to me. I don't deserve any of it. But I have prepared myself to receive what Christ has. God has obligated himself to me and anyone else who is called a son of God. God requires belief from me on my part and he pretty much does the rest. Belief is not easy. But belief is what moves the hand of God in the believers life.

  It is a completely different way of living; and one that is likely to appear foolish to an unbeliever. But, I've been doing this for many years now and it gets results, results, results. I'm all about results. It works. Prior to my belief and trust in Christ, there was little that worked to the degree that I wished it to in my life. I was powerless against my vices.
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  1973 "Divine Victory" International Assemblies

  by Bungi Bill in

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  how many here attended the "divine victory" international assembly that was held 12- 16 december in christchurch, new zealand?.

  the venue was lancaster park.

  if the truth be known, that stadium was probably a casualty of the february 2011 earthquake?.

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  Perry

  I attended that event in I believe in Houston, Texas....can't quite rememeber.
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  Fallacies about Faith

  by tec in

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  peace to you!.

  this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.

  this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.

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  Perry

  No, not afraid. God is Holy, good and utterly righteous. His appearance and ministry in the person of Jesus proved that there was nothing redeemable in man. We are by nature his enemy and he, our enemy..... even though he is the personification of our hightest values. Man, in his current state is at war with himself as much as he is with God.

  It's not so much that man doesn't choose God....it's that he is so depraved and full of himself that he CAN'T choose God..... without GRACE. Get it now?

  "Does not the potter have authority over the clay to make from the same lump one vessel for an honorable use, another for a dishonorable use? What, then, if God had the will to demonstrate his wrath and to make his power known, and he tolerated with much patience vessels of wrath made fit for destruction? And if this was done to make known the riches of his glory on vessels of mercy, which he prepared beforehand for glory, 24 namely, us, whom he called not only from among Jews but also from among nations, what of it? 25 It is as he says also in Ho·se′a: “Those not my people I will call ‘my people,’ and her who was not loved, ‘beloved’; 26 and in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”- Romans 9 New World translation
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  Fallacies about Faith

  by tec in

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  peace to you!.

  this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.

  this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.

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  Perry

  I’m also intrigued about Kirstin’s conversion from an “uber-liberal” to what I assume (the Fox-So-Called-News) ultra-conservative mindset.

  Etude,

  If I'm understanding you correctly, I think you missed some of the details. Kirsen is a liberal democrat commentator on Fox News brought in to argue that side when faced with conservative arguments. She still does that as far as I know.

  What I’ve come to know, given any lack of verification I can get my hands on, is that the “conversion processes” or the “being saved” idea is a very individual and personal idea that cannot be verified outside the one who experiences it. Therefore, it’s impossible to verify, replicate or emulate as much as one wants to.

  I would have to agree with the gist of your statement in bold above. I think God did a very public appearance initially when he went around making the blind see, the lame walk, and the dead rise. He was voluntarily murdered for doing the kinds of things that only God could do..... including dying FOR the childen of Adam.

  Now he reveals himself privately once someone decides to believe. Do you blame him?
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  In effect the GB says the new testament was only written for the 144k - right?

  by Comatose in

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  because if you just read it then its plain that all should partake of the emblems and go to heaven etc.

  they get around that by saying it only applied to those when written who all anointed and then a small group today.

  so they take away the bible for the average witness.

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  Hebrews 9:27 CLEARLY applies to everyone:

  And just as it is reserved for men to die once [for all time], but after this to receive a judgment....

  - New World Translation (brackets added for the deceptive addition)

  Isn't it funny how you never hear the Watchtower saying that God's judgments only apply to the "little flock"? But, when it comes to the scriptures that guarantees our survival of such a personal judgment, like how the the holy spirit bears witness with our spirit that WE ARE the children of God, those scriptures are simply declared as not applying to anyone except the WT leaders.

  Sooooooooo transparent.

  "However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something

  beyond the good news we declared to you, let him be accursed." - Galations 1:8 New World Transaltion

  The basic message of the WT is this:

  1. You're gonna get judged

  2. Since the New Testament solutions to this problem don't apply to you, your only hope of surviving this is to follow us for salvation.

  Reminds me of Jesus' warning: "many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many" MT 24: 5 NWT
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  Humans are 6,000 years old...promise!

  by notsurewheretogo in

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  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25193442.

  this kind of satanic propaganda is obviously satan "misleading" and changing the evidence to suit...and boy is he good at it and very busy doing it!.

  leg bone gives up oldest human dna.

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  Perry

  Here's an interesting link that should keep anyone new to the subject busy for quite a while.

  http://s8int.com/article1-simple.html
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  Fallacies about Faith

  by tec in

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  peace to you!.

  this thread is about false things (some) atheists think theists believe.

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  Perry

  "I kept trying to not believe and I couldn’t avoid it. If I could have avoided it, I would have."

  Notice how it became more work for her to not believe, than it did to believe. - That is God at work.

  Interesting isn't it?
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  Fallacies about Faith

  by tec in

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  peace to you!.

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  Perry

  Just a few excerpts:

  “If there was one thing in which I was completely secure, it was that I would never adhere to any religion – especially to evangelical Christianity, which I held in particular contempt,”

  “I tried to write off the experience as misfiring synapses, but I couldn’t shake it. When I returned to New York a few days later, I was lost. I suddenly felt God everywhere and it was terrifying."

  In a Fox News Channel interview with Howard Kurtz, Powers explained the revelation to her “wasn’t a one-moment-kind-of-thing. It was something that over a year probably of going to church and studying the Bible and a lot of different things".

  What Kirsten began to "see" after her encounter with Jesus Christ personally, was God working in her life..... "a lot of different things"; as she puts it. New believers, those on their way to being believers, and eventually old-time believes are all alike in their astonishment at God's attention to detail in their lives. I've personally noticed that when God's moves in my life, he'll always tell me at least twice. If it's really important, he'll tell me thrice.

  The fact that when she called to tell her boyfriend about her encounter with God, it was at that moment BEFORE she cold tell him, that he related how he had been praying and felt led to break up with her because of the uneven yoking thingy....is just exactly the way God works. Bam, Bam ... right in a row to try and get your attention.

  “In even describing when I became a Christian, I just gave in. It wasn’t courageous. I didn’t have any choice. I kept trying to not believe and I kept just couldn’t avoid it. If I could have avoided it, I would have. There’s nothing convenient about it in my life in the world that I live in. It’s not like living in the South or living somewhere where everybody’s Christian. I live in a world where nobody’s a believer.”

  That is EXACTLY what happened to me. Irrestible Grace. We are saved by grace, through faith. One is the work of God, the other is the work of man. It is the "work" authorized by Jesus for Salvation.

  He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. - Mark 16:16

  Acts16: “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. - John 3: 18

  Once a person surrenders to Jesus, the Holy Spirit takes up residence within the believer and bears an internal permanent witness to the believer:

  The Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.

  This is a precious knowing that the believer receives as a gift that comforts him throughout his/her life. It is totally different than the conclusion that an unbeliever may reach based on selective reasoning that "there is no God".

  Faith is not a conclusion as atheists judge it to be based on their own experience. It is a knowing. I believe this knowing irritates atheists and unsaved religionists alike.
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  Fallacies about Faith

  by tec in

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  peace to you!.

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  Perry

  

  "Former atheist Kirsten Powers is now a Bible-believing Christian champion"

  When a person encounters God.... it changes them permanently. Kirsten Powers was an uber-liberal atheist top news reporter. Her testimony mirrors my own in many respects. When I encountered God I had just finished my education in Sociology. My interest in Social Work to help and comfort the poor was very high.

  Perhaps her testimony will shed some light on the kind of dynamic, interactive faith that Christians have . It is sometimes hard to explain except to describe the kinds of things that God does with it . Kirsten's story is pretty typical when God happens.

  http://www.wnd.com/2013/12/fox-news-atheist-democrat-i-met-jesus/
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  Fallacies about Faith

  by tec in

  1. jw
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  peace to you!.

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  this is not a thread about false things that atheists think about theists.

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  Perry

  I thought you wanted to be left alone?