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  God Says Scripture is Enough

  by Perry in

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  from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

  as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

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  Perry

  designs, It feels so good to finally be at rest. Nothing you can say will change that. You should know that by now after all these years.
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  God Says Scripture is Enough

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

  as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

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  Perry

  There is nothiing more compelling in Christ than what exists in other religions .

  Here are two compelling reasons:

  Freed From Works

  All the religions you cite stress works. The JW's stress works. Jesus liberates a person from the tyranny of works. Having been liberated, I would never return to that bondage. Jesus stresses belief as the "work of God". Good things (fruits of Spirit) naturally flow from that rest, and are evidence of that belief.

  "For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His." - Hebrews 4: 10

  Freed From Condemnation:

  "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already" - Jn 3:18

  We are born into a condemned condition; having been severed from the family and righteousness of God, we inherited the sin, family, & condemnation of ADAM.

  All will be judged; that is man's destiny after death. Hebrews 9:27 makes this clear; "it is appointed unto man once to die, and then judgment". This is the ultimate duty of God as lawgiver. The Good News is that not all will be condemned.

  Further, the very one who offers to die in your place will be YOUR judge:

  "Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly, not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before by God, even to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead. To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.” - Acts 10

  And who can forget this plea: Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

  In the end, God simply gives people what they request. If you want works, God will judge you by your works. If you believe God, you "WILL NOT be condemned."
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  God Says Scripture is Enough

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

  as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

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  Perry

  As JWs we thought the watchtower(tm) represented the bible with that spin 'bible based'.

  Amazing how they succeeded in replacing the bible with the Watchtower and replacing Christ as Mediator with themselves as mediator...all with such simple word spins like the example you provide above.
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  God Says Scripture is Enough

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

  as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

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  Perry

  The book of Enoch is a history book, like the book of Jasher, which is mentioned by name twice in the bible and quoted once, if I recall. The Book of Enoch, Jasher, and others while interesting, are not Scripture. The Holy Spirit did not lead the church to include them in the canon of Scripture.

  I think Paul's words are on point here:

  As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith. But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.
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  God Says Scripture is Enough

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

  as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

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  Many good points RJ .... you ratchet the issue up to the next level.

  It is not a book that one should be listening to, but Christ himself..... No book can be "the way, the truth and the life."

  Right On. The bible is sort of a tutor (like The Law) leading us to Christ himself.

  But remember, "faith cometh by hearing". I remember the first time I read in a majority text NT bible that "God was manifest in the flesh" as opposed to "he was manifest in the flesh". I literally leaped out of bed.
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  God Says Scripture is Enough

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

  as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

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  It's strange that for 3/4 of the history of Christianity, the so-called word of God was not available to anyone except the clergy, yet the churches survived.

  Research the history of the majority text. Generally speaking the RCC were keepers of the minority text. In the majority text camp, there are thousands of extant bible manuscripts from throughout the last 2000 years that we have written in Italic, old latin, Latin, Syriac, Greek, and Aramaic copy fragments. This is not including songbooks, lectionairies, bible semons etc.

  In the 1400's Erasmus was fascinated by how much he found circulating around Europe during his travels. He bought as many as he could find. Of course, for the average non-catholic believer, (ie., faith in Christ Alone by Faith Alone), being found with many of these materials meant the inquisition, with a minimum of having their property confiscated by the RCC, if not death for not recanting the "heresy".
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  God Says Scripture is Enough

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

  as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

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  Just for the record, there are thousands of thousands of churches that refuse to preach or teach out of any book other than the bible .

  Personaly, I would never attend any church that uses any textbook other than the bible . I'm sure many are fine. They are just not for me.

  I agree. Even though I’m now agnostic and haven’t “found Jesus” as Perry thinks he has, I admit that I have never thought about the point he made about 2Ti 3:16,17. That is a powerful point to use on JWs.

  So, why does it make sense to make the same mistake twice? I mean, if real belief in, and adherence to 2 Tim 3:16-17 could have saved us all from an abominable cult, is it possible that it could also save us from other equally unprofitable endeavors or worldviews? Without 2 Tim. 3: 16-17 ; how could a person be sure that he was not simply drilling out of one prison cell into another?
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  Visit from JW relatives..

  by NVR2L8 in

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  he replied that Jehovah reads the heart and that he would not destroy those who were not presented the message...so I said why do we preach if the people who never hear the message have a better chance of survival? His reply was that we have to start teaching some of them now because who is going to teach the resurrected ones during the milenium?

  You are so right. WT reasoning is so anti-biblical. If people can escape judgment by simply not hearing the WT message, then we were really doing a disservice to people, securing their condemnation when they declined out literature.

  Also, if we can get a "clean slate" just by dying, like a lot of JW's believe, shouldn't we all be seeking to die before Aramgeddon to secure our salvation?

  Likewise, if we don't need Jesus to be our Mediator, why did he die for Adam?

  The simple biblical answer is "that it is appointed for man once to die, and then judgment - Heb 11:27 Jesus however stands in the place of the believer and takes the death penalty in his place by means of the legally recognized New Covenant.

  That such a simple legal maneuver by God could be made so hidden to "Christians" is amazing to say the least.
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  Today is my birthday !

  by mrquik in

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  after missing 63 years of birthday celebrations, i'm making up for it in spades.

  cake, presents & parties.

  i tell everyone i meet that today is my birthday just to hear them say "happy birthday".

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  Perry

  ((((((( Happy Birthday )))))))
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  recent watchtower article condemning catholic mediator between men and god

  by oldregretfuljwx2 in

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  i'm researching for an article on religious torture, how the un condemns physical and psychological torture and how that applies to witness shunning and ran across the information below on mediatorship.

  <a href="http://imgur.com/rrqt8ei"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/rrqt8ei.jpg" title="hosted by imgur.com" /></a> .

  [url=http://imgur.com/rrqt8ei][img]http://i.imgur.com/rrqt8ei.jpg[/img][/url] .

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  Perry

  Designs,

  Moses was the mediator of the first covenant.

  In Heb 9:18-20, in order to demonstrate the necessity of Christ's death as the means by which he became the mediator of the new covenant, the author recalls the fact that the first covenant was inaugurated with blood. To make this point, he refers to Exodus 24:1-8, an account of the ratification of the covenant by Moses—the mediator of the first covenant—between God and the Israelites.

  In this rite, the people declared their willingness to do all the words of the Lord and the ordinances (Exod 24:3). Half of the blood of the calves Moses threw it against the altar, but he used the other half to sprinkle on the people, saying "This is the blood of the covenant." (Rather than "Behold..." in LXX Exod 24:8, the author uses "This is...," which is parallel to Mark 14:24 "This is my blood of the covenant.") The point is that the new covenant is also ratified with blood, so that Jesus’ blood is the blood of the (new) covenant.

  Implicit in the author's theologizing is the position that the blood of the animals are anti-typological of Jesus' blood, i.e., death, as the means by which the new covenant is inaugurated. (On this passage, see J. Dunnill, Covenant and Sacrifice in the Letter to the Hebrews , 126-34)

  I suppose there could be a "Judaism" without Moses the way some people fantasize about a christianity without Jesus.....but that is completely outside of the common-sense definitions.