My heart goes out to them. I immediately wonder who their cousins, aunts and uncles might be that are praying for them. I do everything I can to try and talk to them most of the time.
Posts by Perry
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43When You See A Witness What's Your Reaction?
by minimus inis it a feeling of---oh no!!?.
are you happy to see them?.
do you have a feeling of consternation?.
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Does consciousness end with the death of the body
by givemejustalittlemoretime inapparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.
they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.
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Interesting article in Psychology Today:
Consider the famous two-slit experiment. When you watch a particle go through the holes, it behaves like a bullet, passing through one slit or the other. But if no one observes the particle, it exhibits the behavior of a wave and can pass through both slits at the same time. This and other experiments tell us that unobserved particles exist only as ‘waves of probability' as the great Nobel laureate Max Born demonstrated in 1926. They're statistical predictions – nothing but a likely outcome. Until observed, they have no real existence; only when the mind sets the scaffolding in place, can they be thought of as having duration or a position in space. Experiments make it increasingly clear that even mere knowledge in the experimenter's mind is sufficient to convert possibility to reality.
Many scientists dismiss the implications of these experiments, because until recently, this observer-dependent behavior was thought to be confined to the subatomic world. However, this is being challenged by researchers around the world. In fact, just this year a team of physicists (Gerlich et al, Nature Communications 2:263, 2011) showed that quantum weirdness also occurs in the human-scale world. They studied huge compounds composed of up to 430 atoms, and confirmed that this strange quantum behavior extends into the larger world we live in.
Importantly, this has a direct bearing on the question of whether humans and other living creatures have souls. As Kant pointed out over 200 years ago, everything we experience – including all the colors, sensations and objects we perceive – are nothing but representations in our mind. Space and time are simply the mind's tools for putting it all together. Now, to the amusement of idealists, scientists are beginning dimly to recognize that those rules make existence itself possible. Indeed, the experiments above suggest that objects only exist with real properties if they are observed. The results not only defy our classical intuition, but suggest that a part of the mind – the soul – is immortal and exists outside of space and time.
"The hope of another life" wrote Will Durant "gives us courage to meet our own death, and to bear with the death of our loved ones; we are twice armed if we fight with faith."
And we are thrice armed if we fight with science.
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Does consciousness end with the death of the body
by givemejustalittlemoretime inapparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.
they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.
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Humans were created in the image and likeness of God, a tri-partite being. Man's spirit is eternal. He was created to eternally be in fellowship with God. A person CANNOT cease consciousness, no matter how much a person may want to. (Body yes, but spirit...no)
It is man's spirit that is in God's image. Man's body was formed from the dust, but his spirit (or inner man) was breathed into him by God. Genesis 2:7 says: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". From this verse we have the picture of Adam's lifeless body being formed from the dust, God breathing life into his nostrils, and the body then coming to life.
DEATH DESCRIBED
When we die our spirit leaves our body. James 2:26 says "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." The spirit does not go out of existence when it is separated from the body in death, but returns to God who gave it Ecclesiastes 12:7 says; "Then shall the dust (body) return to the earth as it was: and the spirit (life) shall return unto God who gave it." This verse not only defines death as the separation of the body from the spirit, but it also shows that man's spirit is eternal , it does not go out of existence at death, but returns to God.
Notice also the description of Rachel's death. "And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin." --- Genesis 35:18 Jehovah's Witnesses teach that there is no difference between the soul and body, They claim that both are mortal and go into the grave together. The description of Rachel's death however clearly shows that the soul and body are not the same thing. Rachel's body was lifeless, but at death her soul left her body.
The death the widow of Zarephath.'s son and his revival gives further insight into the soul of man. This young man was raised miraculously from the dead by Elijah. 1 Kings 17:21-22 describes this miracle. "And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. {22} And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived."
We notice here that it was the same soul that left him at death and returned to him at revival. His soul therefore did not go out of existence. The person that Elijah resurrected from the dead was the same person that was alive before death. It was not another soul that was given to the lifeless body, but the same one as was conceived in the widows womb through the union of her and her husband. If the soul became extinct at his death, this would be impossible.PEOPLE ARE STILL "ALIVE" AFTER DEATH
This may seem like a contradiction in terms, yet the Lord Himself plainly explains that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were still alive even though they were dead. He said "And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? {27} He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err." --- Mark 12:26-27. This was the Lord's answer to the Saducees who did not believe in life after death. What plainer proof could be given for the immortality of the soul than these verses. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were all dead (in their graves) when Jehovah declared Himself to be their God. Although they were departed from this world, their spirits continued to live. Jehovah could not be the God of extinct persons.
The Lord also taught the immortality of the human soul in Matthew 10:28 --- "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Tertallion, an ancient writer rightly said of this verse "Here we have recognition of the natural immortality of the soul, which cannot be killed by men" -
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Harrass them before they harrass you
by SonoftheTrinity inwhy don't dfs who really know how evil jehovah's witnesses are just harrass them as they go door knocking so that when someone intervenes to defend them they get a balanced story about what the jehovah's witnesses are all about.
the ones that were raised in it were raised to be anti-intellectual wusses, they aren't going to win a debate or kick anyone's ass.
but they certainly deserve philosophical and rhetorical smackdowns, they deserve haters standing in their way as they go harrassing everybody in the neighborhood.
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Jehovah's witnesses are not evil, just deceived. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
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God Says Scripture is Enough
by Perry infrom the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.
all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .
as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.
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Christianity is built upon one simple unalterable FACT. There is judgment after death. Whether we are condemned or not is up to us, in what we do with Jesus. .
"Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly, not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before by God, even to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead. To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.” - Acts 10
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recent watchtower article condemning catholic mediator between men and god
by oldregretfuljwx2 ini'm researching for an article on religious torture, how the un condemns physical and psychological torture and how that applies to witness shunning and ran across the information below on mediatorship.
<a href="http://imgur.com/rrqt8ei"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/rrqt8ei.jpg" title="hosted by imgur.com" /></a> .
[url=http://imgur.com/rrqt8ei][img]http://i.imgur.com/rrqt8ei.jpg[/img][/url] .
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Perry- You really need to sit down with a Rabbi and go over such things
designs, you seem to have simply traded the elders for Rabbis. Remember when you (and me) chose not to believe 2 Tim. 3: 16-17? Remember how that led to our membership in a nasty little cult? I cannot forget that, and you shouldn't forget it so easily either.
Why not just read (and believe) the original documents for yourself?
And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of
the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities
of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions
in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the
goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit
man into the wilderness: - Lev.:16:21
And the Levites shall lay their hands upon the
heads of the bullocks: and thou shalt offer the one
for a sin offering , and the other for a burnt offering,
unto the LORD, to make an atonement for the
Levites. - Numbers 8:12You REALLY CAN take control of your own mind.
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recent watchtower article condemning catholic mediator between men and god
by oldregretfuljwx2 ini'm researching for an article on religious torture, how the un condemns physical and psychological torture and how that applies to witness shunning and ran across the information below on mediatorship.
<a href="http://imgur.com/rrqt8ei"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/rrqt8ei.jpg" title="hosted by imgur.com" /></a> .
[url=http://imgur.com/rrqt8ei][img]http://i.imgur.com/rrqt8ei.jpg[/img][/url] .
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Jews do not believe in Vicarious Sacrifice for sins. Should I repeat that for you. I think by this time most readers here have gotten the sense of what Judaism teaches and believes- No Vicarious Sacrifice.
No need for you to repeat. You're not reading your Hebrew bible. We have the same scriptures that ancient Israel had and can read it for ourselves.
Under the old Law Covenant mediated by Moses, a
provision was made whereby a person’s sins could
be transferred onto a sinless animal, first by the
priest and then by the sinner by laying their hands on
its head:
And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of
the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities
of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions
in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the
goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit
man into the wilderness: - Lev.:16:21
And the Levites shall lay their hands upon the
heads of the bullocks: and thou shalt offer the one
for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering,
unto the LORD, to make an atonement for the
Levites. - Numbers 8:12
Then, the animal was slaughtered in place of the
sinner. The sentence of death was still carried out
according to the LAW. However, this process of
animal substitution had to be repeated because the
sinless animal, while suffering the death sentence for
the guilty person, could not thereafter impart
PERFECT LIFE to the sinner, making future sin
inevitable.The Messiah will be the Savior of the Whole World, Jews and Gentiles.
Isaiah 11:10 "And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, who shall stand as a banner to the people; for the Gentiles shall seek Him, and His resting place shall be glorious."
Isaiah 42:1 "Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, my Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; he will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.
Isaiah 49:6 Indeed He says, `It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, that You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.'"
Ezekiel 33: 12 - THEREFORE, THOU SON OF MAN , SAY UNTO THE CHILDREN OF THY PEOPLE , THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE RIGHTEOUS SHALL NOT DELIVER HIM IN THE DAY OF HIS TRANSGRESSION :
"How then can we be saved? All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags" - Is. 64: 6
God’s resting place would no longer be the Temple but within His own people who would also include the Gentiles:
"But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." Jer. 31:33
We can't do it ourselves designs. Get off the hampster wheel, let go and let God ....
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God Says Scripture is Enough
by Perry infrom the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.
all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .
as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.
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If I know something is wrong, I just DON'T DO IT and it's not difficult!
So you think you are a good person then?
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God Says Scripture is Enough
by Perry infrom the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.
all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .
as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.
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designs, It feels so good to finally be at rest. Nothing you can say will change that. You should know that by now after all these years.
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God Says Scripture is Enough
by Perry infrom the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.
all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .
as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.
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Perry
There is nothiing more compelling in Christ than what exists in other religions .
Here are two compelling reasons:
Freed From Works
All the religions you cite stress works. The JW's stress works. Jesus liberates a person from the tyranny of works. Having been liberated, I would never return to that bondage. Jesus stresses belief as the "work of God". Good things (fruits of Spirit) naturally flow from that rest, and are evidence of that belief.
"For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His." - Hebrews 4: 10
Freed From Condemnation:
"He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already" - Jn 3:18
We are born into a condemned condition; having been severed from the family and righteousness of God, we inherited the sin, family, & condemnation of ADAM.
All will be judged; that is man's destiny after death. Hebrews 9:27 makes this clear; "it is appointed unto man once to die, and then judgment". This is the ultimate duty of God as lawgiver. The Good News is that not all will be condemned.
Further, the very one who offers to die in your place will be YOUR judge:
"Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly, not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before by God, even to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead. To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.” - Acts 10
And who can forget this plea: Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
In the end, God simply gives people what they request. If you want works, God will judge you by your works. If you believe God, you "WILL NOT be condemned."
