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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  This is the World that we Left:
  Our willingness to follow Jehovah’s Organization in things that opposers say are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between Jehovah’s Witnesses and false religion. We take the side of the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of when Armageddon would come, in spite of the tolerance of the Witness community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to Jehovah’s Wife-Life Spirit Directed Organization.
  
  It is not that the methods and institutions of the world somehow compel us to accept Watchtower explanations, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to Watchtower objectives to create an apparatus of bible study and a set of concepts that produce explanations in-line with Jehovah’s Organization, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, the commitment to Jehovah’s Organization is absolute , for we cannot allow the Devil’s foot in the door.
  
  This is the World that atheists have Embraced:
  "Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.
  
  
  It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door." - Geneticist Professor Richard Lewontin
  
  

  
  

  Are there any atheists here that would like to disagree with Professor Lewontins' position?
  
  
  
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  Happy Mothers Day!!!

  by Perry in

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  cheers to all you hard working moms!

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  you are amazing.

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  Cheers to all you hard working Moms!

  You are amazing.
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Really? The Einsteinian concept of a cosmological constant was debunked in the 1920s when Hubble postulated an inflationary universe.
  The only modern understanding of such, is a constant known as Lamda-CDM, which makes allowances for inflation and dark energy.
  Can you at least be current, and not resort to 100 year old understandings of science?

  done4good,

  Were you aware that a new study seems to confirm the cosmological constant?

  Irregardless of that, what about all the other parameters that are required for either the universe or life to exist? The smallest of the ones I listed below is many orders of magnitude beyond anything that can be considered possible.

  Fine Tuning of the Physical Constants of the Universe

  Parameter	Max. Deviation
  Ratio of Electrons:Protons	10 to 37th power
  Ratio of Electromagnetic Force:Gravity	10 to 40th power
  Expansion Rate of Universe	10 to 55th power
  Mass Density of Universe1	10 to 59th power
  Cosmological Constant	10 to 120th power

  If you take the smallest of the ones above, Dr, Hugh Ross provides the following illustration:

  One to the 37th power is such an incredibly sensitive balance that it is hard to visualize. Cover the entire North American continent in dimes all the way up to the moon, a height of about 239,000 miles (In comparison, the money to pay for the U.S. federal government debt would cover one square mile less than two feet deep with dimes.). Next, pile dimes from here to the moon on a billion other continents the same size as North America. Paint one dime red and mix it into the billions of piles of dimes. Blindfold a friend and ask him to pick out one dime. The odds that he will pick the red dime are ten to the 37th power.

  There are many other observations of the fine tuning of our reality. The short video below explores this problem as well as the problems with the speculations of atheists. The parallel universe speculation is particularly troublesome because if you believe that, then you must also believe that the Tooth Fairy, Batman, and Captain America are real people SOMEWHERE in one of those universes.

  This puts atheists in the ironic position of believing in the very same things that they claim not to believe in because of lack of evidence.

  
  

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpIiIaC4kRA
  
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  DNA seen through the eyes of a programmer.

  by EndofMysteries in

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  having had been a programmer for several years (asp, vb script, html,etc) and really learning a lot more about dna recently, i'm amazed how much the dna and the all processes involved with it seem to run like a computer program.

  i just saw this article and thought this programmer explained it very well and thought i'd share it.

  it's found here but i copied it to here.

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  Absolutely Amazing EOM

  Marked.

  Thank You
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  ......how the hell is there real observable evidence about the uniqueness of our universe?

  The dozens of cosmological constants, some of which I listed, that make our universe infinitesimally unlikely are not disputed by science.

  OTWO,

  Here's an interesting scripture relating to some of what we are all talking about:

  “In the beginning, Lord,

  you laid the foundation of the earth,

  and the heavens are the work of your hands.

  They will come to an end,

  but you will remain forever.

  They will all wear out like clothes.

  You will roll them [the heavens] up like a robe,

  and they will be changed like clothes.

  But you remain the same,

  and your life will never end.” - Hebrews 1

  After the thousand year reign of Christ, there will be a new heavens and a new earth. It is interesting that this event, being alluded to here in Hebrews 1, speaks of the heavens being rolled up like a fabric or a robe. This was written thousands of years before scientists started to think of space, time and matter as a fabric. And apparently, it is no more difficult to demolish and rebuild than changing a T shirt ....for God.
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

  1. jw
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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Village Idiot,

  Without a shed of evidence, the multi-verse idea was trotted out as an atheist response to real observable evidence about the uniqueness of our universe. If the multiverse idea is true, then it is also true that Batman and the Tooth Fairy exists .... somewhere.

  James,

  We can somewhat prove space, time and matter had a beginning, because of the observation of slight inflation in the universe. The evidence points to Something creating/starting matter, space and time. It follows that this Something exists independently of matter, space and time. In other words, self-existing eternally without time. This Something is God. The dictionary defines God as: God : the perfect and all-powerful spirit

  The god you describe is not the God in the dictionary that most people think of when the term God is mentioned, him being perfect, benevolent etc. Since he is the embodiment of "good" and we are not, we would have no idea whatsoever if for instance whether it was "good" or not if we ourselves would create a universe where the wages of sin wasn't death.
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Science can only take us back so far, but supernatural belief does no better.

  
  

  Not true OTWO,

  Both can take us back to the beginning. The expanding universe (matter and the space time fabric itself) demands that there was a beginning.

  Atheists say, "in the beginning, nothing". Christians are saying, 'In the beginning, God..."

  If matter, space and time had a beginning, then something outside of that fabric must have initiated it. Agency (God) existing and acting from outside of the space time universe is the ONLY REASONABLE SOLUTION to this problem.

  If you postulate that some part of the universe has always existed, this violates the observation of the expanding universe which necessitates a beginning. Circular reasoning in that case.

  Moving on from that problem are the finely tuned conditions necessary for the universe to exist.

  Fine Tuning of the Physical Constants of the Universe

  Parameter	Max. Deviation
  Ratio of Electrons:Protons	1 to 37th power
  Ratio of Electromagnetic Force:Gravity	1 to 40th power
  Expansion Rate of Universe	1 to 55th power
  Mass Density of Universe1	1 to 59th power
  Cosmological Constant	1 to 120th power
  These numbers represent the maximum deviation from the accepted values, that would either prevent the universe from existing now, not having matter, or be unsuitable for any form of life.

  There are dozens of necessary conditions with very narrow deviance tolerances needed for our universe to exist. Above are just 5. The numbers are hard to imagine. If you take the smallest of the ones above, Dr, Hugh Ross provides the following illustration:

  One to the 37th power is such an incredibly sensitive balance that it is hard to visualize. Cover the entire North American continent in dimes all the way up to the moon, a height of about 239,000 miles (In comparison, the money to pay for the U.S. federal government debt would cover one square mile less than two feet deep with dimes.). Next, pile dimes from here to the moon on a billion other continents the same size as North America. Paint one dime red and mix it into the billions of piles of dimes. Blindfold a friend and ask him to pick out one dime. The odds that he will pick the red dime are one to the 37th power.

  
  

  To illustrate the largest of the deviancy allowable in the last listing in the table above, one professor stated that if you stretch a measuring tape from one end of the universe to the other end of the universe (14 billion light years), the amount of deviation allowable for the universe to exist would be only one inch on that measuring tape.

  To deal with this problem, atheist professors come up with stuff like parallel universes to try and explain away the fine tuning.

  However, if there are a near infinite number of parallel universes, then there are universes where Batman and Robin are real caped crusaders, Tarzan really does swing trough trees with apes, and the tooth fairy really does exist. This is all perfectly sound reasoning under the explanation that atheist scientists give us.

  Of course, instead of explaining the universe, this postulate trotted out for mass consumption ends up explaining nothing.

  Geneticist Professor Richard Lewontin puts atheism into language that common people can understand:
  

  ‘Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

  
  
  It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.

  Some people see a dividing line between science and religion. I say its time to erase that line.

  "I was at this time of living, like so many Atheists or Anti-theists, in a whirl of contradictions. I maintained that God did not exist. I was also very angry with God for not existing. I was equally angry with Him for creating a world." - C.S. Lewis
  
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  which ones? just these ones! and no partaking mentioned.hmm

  by sowhatnow in

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  here in matthew chapter 19 jesus tells a man the commandments he has to do to gain life... which apparently did not include partaking of his flesh and blood.

  so this means that this man could have everlasting life and not partake of the emblems.

  they knew not of them.

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  Jesus was doubtless revealing the need for the prophesied new spirit that would be given a person when they are born again. Three times Jesus told Nicodemus that he must be born again. The partaking of the bread and the wine is symbolic of the new covenant whereby legal provision is made for a new spirit for believing sinners who are otherwise under the guilt (and punishment) of sin.

  The man claimed in this instance that he had kept all these commandments. Jesus didn't agree that he had kept them perfectly and thus deserved entrance into the future kingdom. Rather, he knew that the man loved his possessions more than God, them being the true object of his trust. Jesus was taking advantage of a teaching moment here and was trying to get the man to see his need for a personal Savior.

  There are actually 3 of "you" making up one being, in the image of God. You are a body and also have a body. The same is true for your spirit and your soul.

  The two following passages from the Bible clearly establish the fact that man is a triune being composed of spirit, soul, and body:

  I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved....(1 Thessalonians 5:23).

  For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow (body), and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart (Hebrews 4:12).

  When a person is given a new spirit at the moment of being born again (trusting exclusively in Jesus and not your religion, money, or anything else) a new spirit is given a person. That new spirit is really YOU. This spirit DOES deserve entrance into the coming kingdom because it is sinless.

  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 1 John 3: 9

  Yet , just two chapters earlier John wrote this:

  If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. - 1 John 1:8

  The former passage is obviously talking about the new spirit person and the other is talking about the unsaved person or the as yet unperfected body of a born again believer. Both of them are YOU.

  Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature - 2 Cor. 5: 17

  This is why the churches and cults are filled (especially now in the last days) with cultural Christians and not born again Christians because a person must abandon himself to Christ to qualify for a new spirit. Most people, cultural Christians included, are quite attached to themselves and are not willing to do this.

  
  

  Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand? 32Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace. 33So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14: 31-33

  Jesus' terms for peace with God are unusual in the history of conflict resolution. Contrary to most conquering Kings who only require a percentage, his requirement is ALL of our works. Thereafter, the born again believer can now rest.

  
  

  There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his - Hebres 4: 9

  
  

  ...no one will be declared righteous before him by works... . - Romans 3: 20 New World Translation
  
  
  
  
  

  
  
  

  
  

  
  
  
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  Multiverse implications are explored here:

  https://vimeo.com/34468027
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  Atheist Miracles

  by Perry in

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  i reworded a variation of a common critique of atheists to my own liking.

  no, i do not hate atheists, i love them!

  they keep me from getting bored.

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  The universe did NOT have a creation event, it always existed.

  
  Most science textbooks teach that the Big Bang started the universe, so this seems unconventional from a naturalism point of view.

  
  

  The Big Bang was always there and this started the universe.

  So, the universe did and at the same time did not have a start? But the Big Bang, is self existing or was "always there" and this is what did and at the same time did not start the universe? Isn't it easier to believe in God who is self existing and always existing?; especially in light of the information required for life? If not, explain how this does not violate Occam's Razor and where the information for life came from?

  
  
  

  Without time it would be meaningless to ask its existence and that of the universe.
  When the universe was created it was simply there all the time, existing
  in the same way as nothing, as it always has.

  You speak of the universe both being created and always existing. Please clarify if the Big Bang in your view is self existing (outside of time) or if the universe is.

  
  
  I agree that the universe is nothing more than vibrational manipulation to create the illusion of matter, time and space.... from the point of view of outside the fabric (and a magnificent "illusion" I might add). But what caused this "just so" cosmological constant?

  
  
  Isn't it easier to believe in agency, existing outside of the space time fabric to fabricate the "just so" conditions that are observable?