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Posts by Perry
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47What did you regrettably not do because you were a Jehovah's Witness ?
by minimus injehovah's witnesses cannot do a lot of things.
i remember pioneers having to quit their jobs because they could not work in a convenience store and sell cigarettes.
i know of a young man who was offered a scholarship to any college or university if he wanted to go to because of his football abilities.
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Is there a biblical basis for separation or divorce?
by Conias inis there a biblical basis for separation or divorce?.
in the event that one of the spouses is being psychologically mistreated in a very serious manner where his health is severely damaged and even his own life is in danger.
is there a biblical basis for jehovah's witnesses for separation or divorce?.
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Perry
You are correct Blondie.
If a spouse starts getting a little too excited about Jesus, especially to the point where one might actually consider a direct relationship without a church organization, that is considered to be a threat to Watchtower spirituality and therefore grounds for separation, divorce, but not remarriage.
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Is there a biblical basis for separation or divorce?
by Conias inis there a biblical basis for separation or divorce?.
in the event that one of the spouses is being psychologically mistreated in a very serious manner where his health is severely damaged and even his own life is in danger.
is there a biblical basis for jehovah's witnesses for separation or divorce?.
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Perry
The only biblical reason for divorce and remarriage is adultery and death of a spouse. .
The Watchtower added "Absolute endangerment of one's spirituality."
This is code language referring to talking too much about Jesus rather than "the organization".
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Mouthy has Passed Away
by Simon inupdate on mouthy (grace gough)this is graces granddaughter.
i wanted to send an update that today my beautiful grandmother passed away - surrounded by friends and family.
- may 22 1927 - sept 2nd 2016. mouthys_granddaughter.
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Perry
Mouthy loved the Lord. Always enjoyed her spirit.
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Taking the Bible Lessons And Going To a KH For First Time
by Cold Steel ini've taken the bible lessons but have never attended a kingdom hall.
i was curious as to what point they begin to tighten the screws of control?
let's say you're a baptist.
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Perry
Let's say you're a Baptist. At what point do they tell you that you can't attend other churches or read anything critical of the Society?
They don't.
I went to a Baptist church for a while because I liked the preaching. I asked the pastor if there were any hidden rules if I wanted to keep coming. He said no, and was a man of his word. We attended there 3 years until we moved. We are still friends with everyone even though we don't attend a Baptist church now.
Most churches are run at the local level except for the old line denominations; and most of those are so compromised they wouldn't care about too much. The good ones just want to be good disciples of Jesus, care about others, live in peace and live out their lives as Christians.
What the Watchtower does to members is unlike anything in the NT church, because the WT only applies God's Grace to the leaders. This sets up the two-class system where them and ONLY them are needed for your salvation.
In Christian churches, everyone is a member of the New Covenant, which puts everyone on the same level. The leaders are just servants in the same position as the members.
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How My Husband Helped Me See TTATT
by corruptgirl ini wanted to write my experience on how my husband helped me see the ttatt (the truth about the truth).
first, let me mention that he wrote his own experience a couple months ago under the name sanchy.
for his story please click here….. http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5148261828526080/walking-thin-line-resigning-elder
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Perry
I hope the best for you all, and I hope you all still keep your faith in God. I may be lost in regards to my beliefs right now but one thing I know for sure is that there is a God and he will bring “GB” to justice for screwing with so many people’s minds and lives….whether they do it knowingly or not.
Thank's for sharing your testimony CG! Many good points to consider.
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I don't like the person i am becoming...
by SpunkedTeen ini have not been active here lately just lurking mostly but i have no one to talk to and i need some help i guess.i started working out and became friends with my personal trainer(we went to school together).i started going out with him(lying to my mother about what i was doing,another thing to add to the list of lies,it's becoming too easy!
) and i notice i'm slowly becoming the worldy people that the jw's described.i've become very selfish and rude and very apathetic towards everything and everyone.i always thought the values that jw's taught were really good.if i cut ties with the only friend i have now , i would probably slip into a deep depression and i that is something that i want to avoid at all costs.i start university in january and my plan was to stick it out in the organisation until i got my degree and became fully independant but as of late a elder told me i am being considered to become a m.s and told me what i need to work on and since then the other elders have been nagging me to work on the same things.i'm trying to rid my self of my 'priveleges' in the cong but nothings working...if anyone has experienced a similar situation what advice would you give?
, oh and my mom was always super into the religion having been a pioneer and bethel worker for years but we went to the regional convention two weeks ago and now she is even more exasperating (for example a sister asked my why i was 19 years old and not a ms or serving at bethel yet, which is fine i've learnt how to deal with these questions but when i told my mother whom has always been content with me just being in the religion and never pushed me towards anything asked me if i was happy with what i was and if i would not be happier at bethel or regular pioneering.
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i notice i'm slowly becoming the worldy people that the jw's described.I've become very selfish and rude and very apathetic towards everything and everyone.
This is what happened to me. I would read in the bible how disciples had victory over sin, had peace, an openness with God, and real joy.... not just momentary happiness. This was not my experience as a Jehovah's Witness. My will power could only take me so far it seemed.
Fortunately, God doesn't make us rely on willpower alone, or even primarily. God is in the business of Freedom. If you're feeling burdened, squeezed, controlled by sin, it aint from God.
Read Romans Chapter 6. Here's just one gem from that chapter:
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.... For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
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the new understanding
by heathen inhi guys , i know i was never a favorite here and haven't posted in awhile ... question .
what do you think of the new understanding of , " this generation " they seem to go in circles on this one big time , once 1914 generation was almost gone they said they didn't know what it meant and now in the new publication the generation includes the second generation after 1914 .... i agree they don't know what they are talking about and this is just another control move .
any comments ?.
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Perry
1914 is the set up for the Two-Salvation System taught by the WT. Here's a paper I wrote on this for a class I conducted just the other day:
Just because some believers in different time periods may have a different position, authority, destination, reward, function etc.; the scriptures are clear that they are all legally declared righteous by faith and not by works. The “Great Crowd” takes part of the New Covenant as is evident from a plain reading of Rev. 7: 14 – “And he said to me, These are they who come out of the great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and have made them white in the blood [covenant] of the Lamb.”
Even though the bible says that, 1.) “the great crowd” achieves a righteous standing by the blood of the lamb, and 2.) that blood is only accessed by faith in Jesus’ New Covenant, and 3.) the New Covenant is for “forgiveness of sins”(Mt. 26: 27&28); modern Jehovah’s Witnesses DO NOT profess to be a part of the New Covenant and do not partake of the bread and the wine emblems at their observance of the Lord’s Supper. They are taught that door was shut in 1914 and for sure by the expiration of the “generation” thereafter. They believe their salvation is achieved by association with and obedience to the “faithful & discreet slave class” aka – Bride of Christ, aka – 144K “spiritual Israelites”; which is now the leaders of the Watchtower – the last remnant of true church age Believers.Watchtower leaders thus position themselves as co-mediators with Christ. Official church doctrine is that Christ is only a Mediator for Church Age Believers (of which leaders are the last true remnant) and Jesus in not the Mediator for the “Great Crowd”. – WT 4/1/79 p.31
The great weakness in Watchtower theology is that most JW’s are not aware that Jesus is not their Mediator, according to official WT doctrine. Most have not stopped to consider that the Great Crowd is made “white” by the “blood of the lamb” – the New Covenant. JW’s are also completely unaware of a personal judgment after death(Hebrews 9: 28), and hence a personal savior seems unnecessary, if not ought right silly. When a personal judgement is pointed out to them, they are unable to provide an explanation of how they will personally escape judgment, while positioned outside of the New Covenant…. especially after Mt. 26: 27& 28 is read to them where it plainly states in their own bible that the New Covenant is specifically for “the forgiveness of sins”.
The (UN) Importance of 1914
The “Generation of 1914” was bedrock Watchtower doctrine for nearly 100 years and explains much of Watchtower error. The doctrine stated unequivocally that the generation that saw 1914 would not pass away until Jesus returned all the way to the earth to wipe out his enemies at the battle of Armageddon. As time marched on further and further away from 1914, with no earthly return; the Watchtower changed its definition of “generation” many times in an attempt to explain the failure. At first, the term was applied to those old enough to understand the events of 1914 (WW 1). Then it was applied to those born in 1914 or before. Then it was changed from “70 or 80 years” to a maximum length of 100 years. Since it has now been over 100 years, the Watchtower has once again changed the definition of “a generation” to mean, “over-lapping generations” indicative of an undetermined period of time. Most Jehovah’s Witnesses admit this is nonsense, even if they do not publically acknowledge it. Yet, this is still the basis for their personal rejection on the New Covenant.
In light of the embarrassing manipulation of the term “generation” to fit a failed prediction; doesn’t it make more sense that: it is the 1914 date of “Christs’ Arrival/Presence” that is wrong? Consequently, common sense dictates that that we are all still living in the Church Age/Age of Grace/Gentile Times.
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So when will the signs be for the end Matthew & Luke say....
by tor1500 ina few weeks ago, i think it was in the imitate their faith book or was a public talk, i forget, but anyway, luke 21:10 says: then he said to them: “nation will rise against nation,+ and kingdom against kingdom.+ 11 there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences;+ and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.
the brother was showing the signs of the end & how it matches up to our time.
but guess what folks, my eyes wandered to the next verse 12:but before all these things happen, people will lay their hands on you and persecute you,+ handing you over to the synagogues and prisons.
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Perry
So, Jesus actually comes twice - once to meet believers "in the air" at the rapture when their bodies are raised (even though the souls of those previously deceased are already in heaven);
and once more all the way to the earth (presumably 7 years later) to defeat the forces of the antichrist who is ripping the world apart. This is when Jesus begins his earthly Millennial Reign.
The biggest part of the "signs" will be in between those two events.
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So when will the signs be for the end Matthew & Luke say....
by tor1500 ina few weeks ago, i think it was in the imitate their faith book or was a public talk, i forget, but anyway, luke 21:10 says: then he said to them: “nation will rise against nation,+ and kingdom against kingdom.+ 11 there will be great earthquakes, and in one place after another food shortages and pestilences;+ and there will be fearful sights and from heaven great signs.
the brother was showing the signs of the end & how it matches up to our time.
but guess what folks, my eyes wandered to the next verse 12:but before all these things happen, people will lay their hands on you and persecute you,+ handing you over to the synagogues and prisons.
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Perry
The church age was a complete mystery to the Old Testament believers. They did not and could not see it. They could see much prophecy fulfilled, just as we can. However, when they looked into the future, the church age was a deep valley they were unable to comprehend was even there. They could see the Millennium beyond the valley, but not the church age. Clarence Larkin in "Dispensational Truth", a highly revered scholar by many, many present day believers, describes the prophetic events that the OT believers could see as "mountain peaks".
The church age is also the pause in Daniels 70 weeks prophecy. The clock stopped ticking at the end of the 69 weeks of years, at Calvary.. The final week is still yet to come. At the radical evacuation of born again believers that happen to be alive at the end of the church age, that clock will start ticking again. Only 7 years will be left before the Millennium Reign at that point.This is the 7 year tribulation era. At its conclusion, the Millennium Reign of Jesus will begin, ruling in Jerusalem over the Great Crowd, the 144K Israelites, and all of their descendants for 1000 years.
These folks' citizenship is on the earth. Church age believers' citizenship is in heaven, but they will likely be involved on the earth in collusion with King Jesus, with "glorified" bodies like his.
After the Millennium, everyone not aligned with the enemy of God, enters eternity where the universe is rolled up like a scroll and a new heaven and a new earth is created.
This is pretty much the prevailing view of Christians today, with a few minor variations.
Much Watchtower error goes away when you do away with a 1914 invisible return of Jesus. You would think that throngs of Witnesses would wake up to the the realization that the main problem with WT theology isn't in the definition of what a "generation" is, but rather in 1914 being the date of the end of the church age.
I know the WT calls this the end of the gentile times, but it is essentially the same as the end of the church age recognized by bible-believing Christians.
We are still living in the gentile times, or the "church age" if you prefer. Heaven is still open for business. The New Covenant is still available to "whosoever will" - for the "forgiveness of sins" regardless of where the citizenship might be, ie. heaven or earth. (Mt.26: 27, 28)
