Posts by Perry

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The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

Perry

Christianity has moved on from being horrible, as in the Middle Ages.

Yes, of course... I get your point.

Jesus readjusted people's thinking regarding Law. The problem was on the inside according to Jesus, not on the outside.... a sin nature that operates alongside of our own will, and many times foreign and antagonistic to it.

The apostate Catholic Church jettisoned the idea of being born again (which is the Christian solution to the problem) once Rome's City Overseer filled the power vacuum when the Capitol was moved away from Rome to Constantinople.

This consolidated power, both religious and secular into one super state. It produced a thousand years of unbelievable persecution against bible believers. (Biblical Christians as opposed to cultural Christians)

The founders of the USA, fresh out of a thousand years of persecution from religious super-states, wanted nothing more than to create a safe place to live according to Christian ideas, free from the heavy hands of consolidated religious and secular authority.

The idea that the government would now allow millions of people to quickly migrate here who aren't even cultural Christians, and would probably like nothing more than to create another religious super state to enslave its opponents, is antithetical to every single founding father of this nation I'm sure.

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The Fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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friends

ever since i came out of the witnesses, i've become very political.. i've heard lots of arguments back and forth for many things.. in the u.s. there is the argument that it is "racist" to want to deny entry to muslims.

while there is freedom of religion, there is also the very valid concern of maintaining democracy and a justice system that is based on modern values.we as exjw's constantly quote the pew center for statistics on jw's such as: they are last place in the us for members of a religion that go to university, and second-last for poverty levels of members of a religion.

we accept those statistics and mention them as proof of how damaging the jw's are.now, let's use the same center for some very scary statistics on islam:http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/07/22/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/.

Perry

The founding fathers of the USA who were virtually all Christians, did everything in their power to prohibit a "State Religion" because they believed in the New Testament concept of a sin nature. Because of this biblical belief, they knew that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. They tried to disperse authority as much as possible among the electorate and government.

There was no separation of Church and State like many like to try and portray. The Christian faith was the foundation period. Morals, ethics, and laws were all based and rooted in the Word of God and were found at every level of every branch of government and school house. They tried to incorporate and balance the OT & the NT models of Law vs. Mercy into its statues.

They gave birth to incredible concepts that:

1. All people were created equal

2. Freedom wasn't something granted to you by a ruler (religious or secular), it was bestowed on you by the Almighty at conception

3. People different than you have intrinsic value because they were made in the image of God

4. There was no need to micro-manage everyone because people believed in a personal judgement after you die

5. God paid a big price to allow people the agency of free moral choice. Consequences not elimination should be emphasized when possible.

6. The Christian faith was to be lived out peacefully, non-violently. Wars were for defence, not for the spread of a particular form of government or religion.

A Lot of our history fell short of these ideals, much of our history rose up to the occasion too though.

Islam, from what I know of it seems the antithesis of the traditional American (and now much of the west in general) value system.

It seeks a state religion through Sharia Law. From its beginning, it spread by violent conquest. By contrast Christianity took down the most powerful military machine the world had ever known - Rome: without a single sword being drawn. The two systems couldn't be more different.

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SCOTLAND: JW warned court will deliver judgment

by darkspilver in

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from the east coast of scotland, just north of dundee...... the courier - friday 10 february 2017 - page 8. jehovah’s witness warned court will deliver judgment .

a church figure has been told by a sheriff that the courts will deliver judgment on his domestic offending and not the jehovah’s witness group he is a member of.

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Perry

Why would the JWs even be brought into the discussion? I guess the wife was trying to defend him with the Watchtower association?

She could have said any number of things:

Don't take him to jail because ________________ .

a. he walks old ladies across the street

b. gives to charities

c. returned some money he found

Kinda confusing

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Serpent in the Garden of Eden is not Satan

by anointed1 in

many interpret serpent in the garden of eden as the satan hence miss the whole point because satan himself does not exist.

he is a fictional character [for example, in the temptation account, satan is shown as reflecting the erroneous belief of ancient time that shape of earth is flat, thus taking jesus to the top of “a very high mountain” and showed him “all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.” (mathew 4:8, 9) the fact that jesus did not correct the mistaken view of satan shows the account of temptation is allegorical.

further, jesus knew that satan was only a personification of evil (mathew 16:23; john 6:70) and categorically declared that “all evil thoughts proceed from one’s heart,” not from satan.

Perry

People tend towards what is sometimes called a "lower nature" as opposed to our "higher nature", even when they try to will themselves otherwise.

For me, it was quite liberating to be free of the Watchtower dogma that basically says that the problem was "I just wasn't trying hard enough".

But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, ...no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. - Romans 7

This is the dual nature of man. The founding fathers of the American constitution well knew this principle that operates within men and created a form of government with checks and balances that tried to minimize/penalize the expressions of our lower nature and maximize/reward expressions of our higher nature.

It was an amazing application of biblical principles.

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Serpent in the Garden of Eden is not Satan

by anointed1 in

many interpret serpent in the garden of eden as the satan hence miss the whole point because satan himself does not exist.

he is a fictional character [for example, in the temptation account, satan is shown as reflecting the erroneous belief of ancient time that shape of earth is flat, thus taking jesus to the top of “a very high mountain” and showed him “all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.” (mathew 4:8, 9) the fact that jesus did not correct the mistaken view of satan shows the account of temptation is allegorical.

further, jesus knew that satan was only a personification of evil (mathew 16:23; john 6:70) and categorically declared that “all evil thoughts proceed from one’s heart,” not from satan.

Perry

Interesting thoughts. For sure many things people ascribe to the Devil is really out of their own selves.

As JW's we denied the Christian doctrine of an inherent fallen nature, so we blamed most everything on the devil instead. Our failures to be godly was interpreted to be because we weren't active enough in field service, studying, meeting attendance etc. This left us open to the attacks of the devil. Pure nonsense from a biblical perspective.

Jesus deals with the sin nature, that is the part that must die and be replaced. That's why he three times told Nicodemus that he must be born again..... not from flesh, but by Spirit.

But, I do think the overall treatment of Satan in Scripture portrays him as a real entity. Article

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Or was it Designed???

by Slidin Fast in

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1 2017 says on its back page.

the saharan silver ant (cataglyphis bombycina) is one of the most heat-tolerant land animals known.

Perry

Cofty,

Do you have some sort of degree in the subjects in which present yourself as an expert?

Try to know a little bit about what you are criticising.

Your general attitude is a huge turn off. At this time, I will not engage in a lengthy discussion with you because you don't even attempt to reel in the ad hominem, appeals to authority, circular reasoning, strawmen, ad infinitum fallacies.

Have a blessed day Cofty!

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Or was it Designed???

by Slidin Fast in

awake!

1 2017 says on its back page.

the saharan silver ant (cataglyphis bombycina) is one of the most heat-tolerant land animals known.

Perry

In fact the best discovery of soft tissue in dino fossils was published just last week.

Cofty,

I think this is the recent discovery that you were referring to earlier. I wasn't aware of this one yet. Thank you.

It confirms my prediction on this forum many years ago that much more ancient soft tissue would continue to be found and that the soft tissue would be found irrespective of the presumed age of the donor.

In other words, if the current dating methods are wrong, (see above) then it wouldn't matter whether the specimen is one million, 65 million, or in this case 195 Million years old... original soft tissue will be found in all of them and will continue to be found. That is exactly what is playing out here. See carbon dating of original dinosaur tissue here.

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Has anyone else seen this video on JW Broadcasting?

by NikL in

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so i was checking out the website to see what the february broadcast was all about before i watched it with my jw wife.. on the front page was this video.... https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodbible/pub-jwbai_201607_1_video.

i watched it and pretended i had never been a jw.. if you pretend you don't understand their particular language it makes for a interesting (if not vague) watch.. btw i've seen several of the actors before.

jw version of movie stars?

Perry

And then to compare his getting to know this " worldly " girl as dangerous as Annanias lying and stealing money for himself ? How twisted is THAT ?

Exactly Flipper.

"Worldly" means anyone who doesn't reject Jesus at the Memorial & worship the Watchtower as God's instrument of Salvation on earth. Pure idolatry. The girl could have been a Christian believer - Doesn't matter!

The guilt trip: Failure to worship them is the same as stealing and lying according to the storyline.

That video got me steamed this morning....time to hit the gym.

They always seem to get even the simplest of things misconstrued:

GO AWAY, I CAN'T PLAY WITH YOU ANYMORE.

BUT WHY?

I MUST KEEP MYSELF WITHOUT "SPOT" IN THIS WORLD!

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Or was it Designed???

by Slidin Fast in

awake!

1 2017 says on its back page.

the saharan silver ant (cataglyphis bombycina) is one of the most heat-tolerant land animals known.

Perry

No logical fallacy at all.

Sure it is Cofty. If all of the thousands of scientists who disagree with you aren't sensible, then you don't have to consider their opinion on the matter. How do you know they are not sensible? Because they don't agree with you.

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Or was it Designed???

by Slidin Fast in

awake!

1 2017 says on its back page.

the saharan silver ant (cataglyphis bombycina) is one of the most heat-tolerant land animals known.

Perry

No sensible scientist would comment on their commitment to "Darwinism". This simple fact is beyond all sensible debate.

Cherry-picking logical fallacy, Confirmation bias fallacy, Circular reasoning etc.