Posts by Perry

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Universal sovereignty on trial

by Factfulness in

i just had a thought of clarity regarding the jw explanation for this doctrine.

they explain that satan challenged god regarding his right to rule.

god failed to prove his right to rule.

Perry

Universal Sovereignty

Vindication of God's Holy Name

Who has the Right to Rule

The Bible is a book of Government

Blah, blah bla

The above notions sound religious, even biblically religious. The only problem is that they are not historical Christian themes.

Christianity is about getting rid of your sin debt through the blood of Christ. God hasn't been allowing men to rule themselves because he is trying to run for office. Man is alienated from a just and holy God because they sin, a lot. They are his enemies. And, while we were God's enemies, and before we did ANYTHING for God.. Christ (God Himself) died for us (personally) not Adam.

Romans 5 - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

This is the Great Watchtower deception. They keep people all knotted up chasing imaginary global rulership issues and ignoring (even rejecting) the offer of a total free ride into eternal bliss and personal adoption by the Almighty.

Once a person is adopted, legal heirs have title right to everything the Father has, for free.... the very thing JW's insist on working for.

Jesus said, "Come to me (not Jehovah), and I will give you rest".

The irony is overwhelming at times.

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

Perry

Cofty,

The study is published in the journal Human Evolution.... not a creationist source.

I post this because it is favorable toward a worldview which I believe the evidence (that I can personally test or can reasonably subscribe to supports)...unlike you.

The paper does NOT suggest that life originated all at the same time but that the age of extant species can be traced back to founder populations

A perfect fit for a Noah's ark scenario. Bravo!

1. What is your explanation for why dinosaur bones stink like rotting flesh? If they are old enough for the Rocky Mountains to have been worn down by rain water and wind and then rise again as evolutionists claim, how could they still have organic molecules decomposing... still stinking like a corpse?

2. How can carbon dating of dinosaur soft tissue consistently show a date of thousands of years?

3. How can dinosaur dna fragments last more that a few thousand years when DNA has been demonstrated to last at most a few thousand years?

These are simple smell-test type observances that even the most uneducated amongst us (such as yourself with ZERO training in the biological sciences) can understand.

What say you?

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Evolution is a Fact #1 - Protein Functional Redundancy

by cofty in

i intend for this to be one of a series of bite-sized ops on the evidence for evolution.. introduction to dna genes are sequences of dna made up of words (codons) each of which are three letters (bases) long.

there are only four letters in the genetic alphabet (acg&t) each word or codon is the recipe for one amino acid.

there are 20 different amino acids in living organisms.

Perry

Massive Genetic Study Reveals 90 Percent Of Earth’s Animals Appeared At The Same Time

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Where Do You Think Your Dear Loved Ones Are?

by minimus in

jw
friends

since we were jws at one time, has it influenced your view as to where your dead loved ones are now?

i know many here do not believe in anything biblical but i’m curious as to whether you believe anyone is in heaven?

?.

Perry

Thousands of cases of Terminal Lucidity cases shows that our soul lives, even after brain tissue is destroyed.

I believe that man was created in the image (similar to that) of an eternal God. And, man has an eternal soul.... so that no matter whatever happens to the body in a world capable of accidents, evil and decay, fellowship with God would never be at risk; unless of course we choose that. I think God respects our choices. Jesus said that not even a sparrow falls to the ground without God taking notice of it.

In this view, No one will ever be able to cease being conscious.... even if they desperately want to, because it is inherent to our nature, blueprint, construction etc.

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Why remove John 8:1-11 in the NWT if these verses speak highly of Jesus

by I_love_Jeff in

i understand these verses were removed in the nwt as well as some other bibles because they were added later & considered uninspired.

jesus protected an adultress so why remove it?

it fits in nicely with his teachings, does it not?

Perry

Greek scholar Didymus the Blind (c. 350 A.D.) is known to have cited the passage extensively in his commentary on Ecclesiastes, which was discovered in the 1940's. It was commented on at a time when it is admitted that "many manuscripts, both Greek and Latin contained the story" ( cf. Jerome) of the Woman Taken in Adultery.

Not only was the passage known among Greek commentators from before Jerome's time, it was known specifically in Alexandria, the suspected source of the Alexandrian text-type, which omits the verses. (ie. Sinaiticus and Vaticanus manuscripts which are summarily rejected as hopelessly corrupted by millions of Christians today)

Early Writers and John 8:1-11

Date	Author	comments

c. 150 B.C.	Susanna new!	- O.G. has "ορθρου"
60-120 A.D.	Didache	- Greek & Commentary
100 A.D.	Papias	- Greek/English
140 A.D.	Marcion	- early tampering
150 A.D.	Gospel of Peter	- & John 8:1-11
c. 150 A.D.	Susanna (Theod.)	- Theod: πᾶς ὁ λαὸς
140-160 A.D.	Diatesseron	- knows of Jn 8:1-11

210 A.D.	Tertullian	- evidence of edict
220 A.D.	Hippolytus	- on Susanna & Origen
230 A.D.	Origen	- not so silent
250 A.D.	Didaskalia	- quotes Jn 8:1-11
290-556 A.D.	The Emperors	- Adultery & Roman Law

c. 330 A.D.	Constantine	- (see Philostorgius)
c. 350 A.D.	Apostolic Constitutions	- PA as Holy Scripture
	Apostolic Const.	- Greek Text
350 A.D.	Ambrosiaster	- a solid quotation
360 A.D.	Didymus	- quotes PA as scripture
370 A.D.	Pacian	- Supports Jerome
c. 384 A.D.	Jerome	- on John 8:1-11
	Jerome's NT Preface	- good discussion
388 A.D.	Ambrose	- quotes Jn 8:1-11
350-400 A.D.	Epiphanius new!	- Euseb. Canon has PA!
380-400 A.D.	Faustus on PA	- quoted by Augustine
400 A.D.	Augustine	Supports PA & TR

408 A.D.	Rufinus	- aware of PA
c. 400 A.D.	Chrysostom	- new evidence for PA
425 A.D.	Philostorgius	- discusses tampering
429 A.D.	Theodoret	- startling evidence
400-450	Sozomen new!	- Constantine & Crispus
425-450 A.D.	Sedulius	- PA as Holy Scripture

4th-5th cent.	Syriac PA	- accepted as genuine

c.650+ A.D.	Gospel of Barnabas new!	- & the PA
c.700 A.D.	The Venerable Bede	- homily on PA
c.1100 A.D.	Euthymius	- evidence misused

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JW Good News is merely B.S. Bad News demonstrably wrong (Here is the proof)

by TerryWalstrom in

scare tactics generating fear of the end is the core message of jehovah's witnesses.predictions based on so-called bible prophecy is their mother's milk.

"critical times hard to deal with" flavors every book, article,pamphlet and conversation spoken by dub on the doorstep.indeed, all we hear anywhere seems to be bad news.

are jw's right?can this be put to the test?

Perry

Or, as Charles Dickens put it, “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.” The world keeps spinning, but it wobbles. All the same....

1. Abortions are down to lowest levels since Roe v. Wade

2. Cigarette smoking down

3. Littering has declined by 61% in last 40 years

4. Teen drug and alcohol abuse is down (not including weed)

5. Percentage of college educated population has increased by a 1/3 in the US

6. The Watchtower can hide much less of their dirty laundry than they could 30 years ago with the invention of the internet.

7. Median Household Income (and potential) has risen substantially even when adjusted for inflation

Now if we could just get our debt, trade deficits, and 100 Trillion in unfunded liabilities down.

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My son graduated last Friday

by Captain Schmideo2 in

jw
friends

i have talked about him before on this forum.

he is now a graduate from mit!.

it was a lovely weekend.. i got to meet some of the friends he has made in the past four years, and some of their families.. they were very nice, decent, friendly, and enjoyable people.

Perry

Wonderful news Captain! Very happy and excited for you.

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"Keep testing if you are in the faith" Just like a Doctors visit??

by stuckinarut2 in

a thought came to mind.. often when we awaken to the "truth about the truth", jws will ask "what made you start questioning things?

they act as if we are doing something wrong by questioning facts.. but, the scripture at 2 cor 13:5 clearly says "keep testing whether you are in the faith, keep proving what you are".

so, this implies regular checks of our faith, and all we believe to be true.

Perry

The 2nd half of that scripture ends with: "except ye be reprobates"? (KJV)

So the only ones who don't apply a test to see if their faith is genuine are reprobates.

Definition: When a sinner is so hardened as to feel no remorse or misgiving of conscience, it is considered as a sign of reprobation.

This is how I reasoned when I left in Nov. 1995. I lived through the 1975 false prediction as a 12 year old. I lived through the generation prediction collapse with the Nov. 1995 issue of the Watchtower at age 32... I saw no remorse, no apologies; just more misdirection and denials.

They failed the test of faith. And with their failure, my misplaced faith also failed.

I'm so glad I got out when I did.

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JW stopped me in the street.....

by Phizzy in

he pulled up in his car beside me and asked for directions, then he recognized me, we used to be in the same congo.. the usual pleasantries, i gave him directions, and then "when are you going to come back then" he asks.. "never" i say, "well, it has all changed" he says, " it's not like it used to be" i detect a tone of regret.. "but you know there is nowhere else to go" he boldly proclaims.. "yes there is !

" say i, "there is somewhere where you can find truth, and truth is supported by facts and evidence ".

he had to drive off then as he was blocking a narrow street, i did not get time to say " go to jw facts.com", i will tell him next time..

Perry

Wow, that's a totally different beast !

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JW stopped me in the street.....

by Phizzy in

he pulled up in his car beside me and asked for directions, then he recognized me, we used to be in the same congo.. the usual pleasantries, i gave him directions, and then "when are you going to come back then" he asks.. "never" i say, "well, it has all changed" he says, " it's not like it used to be" i detect a tone of regret.. "but you know there is nowhere else to go" he boldly proclaims.. "yes there is !

" say i, "there is somewhere where you can find truth, and truth is supported by facts and evidence ".

he had to drive off then as he was blocking a narrow street, i did not get time to say " go to jw facts.com", i will tell him next time..

Perry

Thanks for posting this little bit of insight on WT culture these days. I voluntarily left in Nov. of '95 for reasons of conscience.

A recently faded ex-JW told me recently that I would not even recognize the meetings if I were to go back to visit now.

Are they not even using songbooks now Listener? I knew about the prerecorded viceos in place of live parts. It all makes me want to go visit just to see for myself.