Glad the procedure went well blueblades! My mother had the same thing and it worked wonders for her. Did anyone ever tell you that you look a little like Elvis?
Posts by Perry
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15Blueblades Pacemaker Update.
by Charles Gillette inwell,to all who had wished me good health before i went for my procedure,thank you.
9/14 pacemaker was inserted below my collarbone successfully.check up will be 9/18.. so, since 2012 when i was 67,i had open heart surgery to replace my aortic valve with a bovine tissue valve.
now at 73, i have an implanted pacemaker with two leads,one for the upper chamber, right atrium and one for the lower right chamber,ventricle of the heart.. so, my heart beats should now be steady and not in and out of afib.. both of my brothers died of heart attacks.
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J.W.Sisters are not recognized as part of the 144000 Anointed class by the Governing Body of Jehovah`s Witnesses and never have been.
by smiddy3 inrev.14: 1-6 describes the 144000 as males who do not defile themselves with women and are classed as virgins.?.
how does the governing body of j.w.`s explain that a man having a sexual relationship with a woman defiles a man?.
isn`t this or shouldn`t this be an affront to women who are jehovah`s witnesses ?
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Perry
Nice Topic for discussion.
The Watchtower has the Church Age ending in 1914 ....that's their biggest problem in interpreting scripture.
The 144K are future yet-to-be-seen Israelis, just like it says.“Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel” (Revelation 7:4)
This fits the initial claim that the book of Revelation is about future events...prophecy. It would be illogical to assume this is a symbolic characterization of then-living Christians that extended until WT leaders effectively shut down the "Church Age" with their heretical 1914-gentile-times-has-ended teachings.
Rather:
1. The New Testament is still open for business (The WT claims the NT was written only for the 144K and that all positions are filled)2. All Christian believers (Christ Alone as their Mediator) are anointed, this is clear in scripture
3. When the church age does near it's end, the rapture will take place and evacuate believers from earth in glorified bodies like Jesus had after his resurrection
4. After this (or around this time) the temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will continue there (as they already have in the past few years nearby)
5. 144,000 Israelis who "get it" will be preaching Jesus during the tribulation period leading up to Armageddon.
The tribulation period is a future seven-year period of time in which God will allow human leaders (the Anti-Christ and his minions) a much greater reign of terror than has ever been previously seen. Their reign of terror is in a sense God's judgment against those who reject Him and will complete His plan of salvation for the nation of Israel.
All of this is according to God’s revelation to the prophet Daniel (Daniel 9:24–27). The 144,000 Jews are a sort of “first fruits” (Revelation 14:4) of a redeemed Israel which has been previously prophesied (Zechariah 12:10; Romans 11:25–27), and their mission seems to be to evangelize the post-rapture world and proclaim the gospel during the tribulation period. As a result of their ministry, millions—“a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language” (Revelation 7:9)—will come to faith in Christ.
Jesus will literally rule for 1000 years on the throne of David his fore-father from the re-built 3rd temple in Jerusalem. The modern nation of Israel will one day welcome their long-ago crucified King.
1. Church-age believers will have glorified bodies. Although their citizenship is in heaven, they will doubtless be very active in governmental activities on and over earth. They will have physical bodies suitable for life in heaven and earth, like Jesus had. "We will be like him".2. Redeemed Israel and the "great multitude" (many other nation groups who survive the tribulation period) will continue living on earth as subjects of the King.
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Watchtower History
by vienne insome of you read our history blog and have read our first two books.
we're pushing to finish volume 2, separate identity.
a rough draft chapter from volume 2 is up on our blog.
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Perry
Interesting accounts of those that joined the Watchtower in the early days.
From the few I read, a recurring theme for early adherents seems to be a critical attitude of traditional believers and a desire to work for their salvation.
Not much has changed I guess.Do you have a website?
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Dis-fellowshipped For Not Going To The Kingdom Hall You Are Assigned Too
by new boy inmy parents started attending the glendora congregation in 1961. my mother had a strange feeling about the congregation.
there was something going on there that just didn’t feel right.
there was a huge exodus going on of people leaving this congregation’s kingdom hall too.
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Perry
Amazing story new boy. Thanks for sharing it.
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Carts on both ends of the farmersmarket
by Still Totally ADD inmy wife and me have a booth at the local framers market.
there is usually about 12 t0 14 vendors each week on a small short street in town.
what is funny on each end of this short street are cart setups with 3 people on each cart.
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Financially Are You Doing Better Than a Year Ago?
by minimus inthis isn’t a usa question.
is your financial situation better or worse or pretty much the same?.
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Better
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wt can be seen as fake people smugglers, would-be human traffickers.
by waton inreading about migrants using flamethrowers, acid, unspeakable, -- to storm the fences of european grounds, trying to reach their perceived "paradise", -- the eu", it occurred to me that .
wt has marketed it's efforts as a grand aid to to reach "the kingdom"[paradise] too.. the difference is of course, --while germany, other states, really afford newcomers an almost effortless existence for life, - wt makes such promises, offers a pie in the sky, or lower, but can of itself never fulfill them, has proven that by it's past s failures.
so: does wt guarantee safe passage into paradise?
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Perry
Interesting analogy. Allow my indulgence:
Jesus said he was the way, the truth and the life. Also, the Mediator that guarantees safe passage. He proved it by coming back from the dead.
The Wt. says that they are the Way, the Truth, and the Life (spiritual paradise) and that you have to go through the governing body for safe passage.
It is analogous to receiving a free gift ticket from your dear father on the worlds' finest cruise ship to where you want to go. Then, while you are preparing to board, a stranger shows up with a sign on the side of his truck that reads, "Chuck in a Truck Transportation" . Rolling down the window, He yells, "All the rooms were already filled in 1914, your tickets are no good. Jump in the back and I'll drive you myself".
So, after falling for the ruse you find yourself in the back of the truck with many other immigrants. After driving away with you, your family and others, he then gives you a bill for passage to nowhere in particular. When you protest the harsh treatment, he then takes your family and chucks them on the side of the road, never to be seen again.He then says, "what the hell were you thinking; Something for nothing? Pay up."
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Requirements for the platform!
by asp59 ini wrote this letter to organization some years ago.
they never responded.
what was the arrangement in the old jerusalem?.
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Perry
Just a FYI. The word "public" is not in the original Greek. It has been added.
The reading mentioned is referring to the bible and writings of the apostles that were available at that time (later to become the NT). It would have been impossible for that admonishment to have anything whatsoever to do with Watchtower publications, since they would not exist for another 2000 years.Thankfully, we have the exact same reading material a available to us that was available to believers at the time that the counsel was written in 1 Tim 4: 13 that you cited.
To even remotely suggest that Paul had in mind some future publishing company is utterly foreign to the text in its historical setting.
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Creation, evolution, ???
by Freedom rocks inwas on the bus today and got into a discussion somehow with the driver and ok be ood his work colleagues about whether there's life in other planets, evolution and creation.
the driver believes there must be other life out there, i agree with him that life can't be unique to this planet out of the billions that exist.
his colleague who i think might be a jw by his attitude and reasoning skills thinks we're the only planet with life on it and it was made perfect and exact purposely for humans.
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Perry
ttdtt writes:
I have no problem with people who believe in god....but I abhor people like Perry...who not only want to ignore all logic an evidence and reason but want to pass off their bullshit to you as if it were "gospel"
ttdtt,
I am really confused why belief in God and pointing out Evolutionists's own findings about the failure of the Tree of Life to explain known facts should bother you so much. You really abhor me?
1. Why? In your view when you die....... nothing. So what is the point in going around needlessly abhorring people? Isn't that a waste of the precious time of conscious life that you have left? What is it in your psyche that drives you to silence others who are not like you?2. Christians are taught to turn the other cheek whenever possible, not to judge others, respect their differences, "if possible live in peace with all men". etc. Jesus said: "He that has two coats, let him impart to him that has none; and he that has meat, let him do likewise."
I'm not saying that Western people follow these tenets perfectly, but Jesus has definitely effected Western Culture for the good of all. The ideas of the "Prince of Peace" have proved ....well peaceful. Of all the things you could go abhorring after, you choose me? For quoting your own evolutionary scientists? Didn't we all just leave a cult that abhorred us for questioning their authority and quoting their own literature back to them?
If you will pardon the expression; It seems that you have left the plantation, but still have the slave mentality. In western culture, people are free not because they have it granted to them, nor because they are popular, not because they work for it. They are free because they are made in the image of the God of Freedom. It is a birthright. It is inherent to our construction.want to ignore all logic an evidence and reason
My arguments have been well thought out and have been presented as a critique of ASSUMPTIONS, not evidence or reason. We all have the same evidence. It is the interpretation of those facts which is guided by assumption that I am questioning.
Why do dinosaur bones stink like rotting corpses? "It smelled just like one of the cadavers we had in the lab" claimed Mary Sweitzer. Dr. Horner confirmed 'Oh, yeah, all Hell Creek bones smell,'.
How can dinosaur bones still stink like a corpse after 80 - 200 million years ? (That's longer than it takes for the Rocky Mountains to weather down and be raised back up again by tectonic forces)
I broke the story to all the posters on this forum back in 2005 when fresh dinosaur tissue was discovered. The atheists predictably attacked the messenger. This one discovery alone destroys the standard evolutionary model for any reasonable person not chained to an ideology and assumption of vast age.
At that time, my assumption (that stinking rotting dinosaur corpses are young and not old) allowed me to predict:1. Many other dinosaur bones would be found to have soft tissue
2. Blood cells and blood fragments would be confirmed
3. Many other assumed objects of tremendous age would be found to be not-so-old-after all. In other words, a prediction could reasonable be made that other biological material would be found and that the material would not be correlated to the supposed age of the rock layers where they were found.
4. Many atheists would morph into science deniers
All these predictions have come true with far greater support than I could have imagined. The internet is where cults go to die.
Unlike Cofty, where his assumptions lead him to believe that he is related to an oak tree, these facts, lead me to believe that the standard Darwinian portrait is a cult. People who leave the Watchtower and swallow this worldview have simply drilled out of one prison cell into another in my opinion. As a result they bring themselves under new masters such as yourself who will severely criticize and berate them if they deviate from the tenets of this new religion.Romans 1: 23
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into... birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.... Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: ...And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God.... have pleasure in them that do them.
But the good news is:
God took on human nature and provided himself as the perfect lamb, so that a death would occur for everyone who believes: The payment for sin - "the wages of sin is death". In God's wisdom, he gives us a choice. We can choose to allow Jesus' death as our own personal substitute, in our place and be welcomed into the eternal family of God. The inventor of life personally guarantees your life and happiness.
Or you can reject his offer, argue about the severity of a death penalty for sin, etc.Our assumptions govern every aspect of our lives.
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Creation, evolution, ???
by Freedom rocks inwas on the bus today and got into a discussion somehow with the driver and ok be ood his work colleagues about whether there's life in other planets, evolution and creation.
the driver believes there must be other life out there, i agree with him that life can't be unique to this planet out of the billions that exist.
his colleague who i think might be a jw by his attitude and reasoning skills thinks we're the only planet with life on it and it was made perfect and exact purposely for humans.
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Perry
Onager,
I can see that if that is your assumption about "science", how you could easily come to that conclusion. However, it just doesn't work that way in the real world.
Professor Richard Lewontin, a geneticist , probably said it best concerning evolutionary researchers:
He wrote this very revealing comment. It illustrates the implicit philosophical bias against Genesis creation—regardless of whether or not the facts support it.
‘Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, [like Cofty believing he is related to an oak tree] in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.
It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.This is why I have written quite a bit on the nature of illusion, deception / perception and how our assumptions dramatically impact our view of reality. It has little to do with intelligence or education level.
If you take the time to read some of the quotes that I posted above by EVOLUTIONARY Scientists regarding the phylogenetic tree that Darwin suggested, you can plainly see and grasp the struggle that they are having, as well as why. While accepting that the data does not support a common ancestor assumption, they express bewilderment and frustration at the discordance. The cause is their assumption.I also have an assumption. Genesis 1: 1-11 : God created animals according to their kinds. Neither assumption is "science"; but which fits the facts better?
Remember the optical illusion I posted previously? Assumption is a powerful thing. No matter how certain that someone believes that squares A & B are different.... they are identical. Our assumptions cause the discordance.And, I cannot repeat this often enough: ASSUMPTIONS ARE NOT SCIENCE, especially when dealing with histories that you can't replicate.