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  Harrass them before they harrass you

  by SonoftheTrinity in

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  why don't dfs who really know how evil jehovah's witnesses are just harrass them as they go door knocking so that when someone intervenes to defend them they get a balanced story about what the jehovah's witnesses are all about.

  the ones that were raised in it were raised to be anti-intellectual wusses, they aren't going to win a debate or kick anyone's ass.

  but they certainly deserve philosophical and rhetorical smackdowns, they deserve haters standing in their way as they go harrassing everybody in the neighborhood.

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  Perry

  Jehovah's witnesses are not evil, just deceived. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
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  God Says Scripture is Enough

  by Perry in

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  from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

  as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

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  Christianity is built upon one simple unalterable FACT. There is judgment after death. Whether we are condemned or not is up to us, in what we do with Jesus. .

  "Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly, not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before by God, even to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead. To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.” - Acts 10
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  recent watchtower article condemning catholic mediator between men and god

  by oldregretfuljwx2 in

  1. jw
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  i'm researching for an article on religious torture, how the un condemns physical and psychological torture and how that applies to witness shunning and ran across the information below on mediatorship.

  <a href="http://imgur.com/rrqt8ei"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/rrqt8ei.jpg" title="hosted by imgur.com" /></a> .

  [url=http://imgur.com/rrqt8ei][img]http://i.imgur.com/rrqt8ei.jpg[/img][/url] .

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  Perry

  Perry- You really need to sit down with a Rabbi and go over such things

  designs, you seem to have simply traded the elders for Rabbis. Remember when you (and me) chose not to believe 2 Tim. 3: 16-17? Remember how that led to our membership in a nasty little cult? I cannot forget that, and you shouldn't forget it so easily either.

  Why not just read (and believe) the original documents for yourself?

  And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of
  the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities
  of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions
  in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the
  goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit
  man into the wilderness: - Lev.:16:21
  
  And the Levites shall lay their hands upon the
  heads of the bullocks: and thou shalt offer the one
  for a sin offering , and the other for a burnt offering,
  unto the LORD, to make an atonement for the
  Levites. - Numbers 8:12

  You REALLY CAN take control of your own mind.
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  recent watchtower article condemning catholic mediator between men and god

  by oldregretfuljwx2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm researching for an article on religious torture, how the un condemns physical and psychological torture and how that applies to witness shunning and ran across the information below on mediatorship.

  <a href="http://imgur.com/rrqt8ei"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/rrqt8ei.jpg" title="hosted by imgur.com" /></a> .

  [url=http://imgur.com/rrqt8ei][img]http://i.imgur.com/rrqt8ei.jpg[/img][/url] .

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  Perry

  Jews do not believe in Vicarious Sacrifice for sins. Should I repeat that for you. I think by this time most readers here have gotten the sense of what Judaism teaches and believes- No Vicarious Sacrifice.

  No need for you to repeat. You're not reading your Hebrew bible. We have the same scriptures that ancient Israel had and can read it for ourselves.

  Under the old Law Covenant mediated by Moses, a
  provision was made whereby a person’s sins could
  be transferred onto a sinless animal, first by the
  priest and then by the sinner by laying their hands on
  its head:
  
  And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of
  the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities
  of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions
  in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the
  goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit
  man into the wilderness: - Lev.:16:21
  
  And the Levites shall lay their hands upon the
  heads of the bullocks: and thou shalt offer the one
  for a sin offering, and the other for a burnt offering,
  unto the LORD, to make an atonement for the
  Levites. - Numbers 8:12
  
  Then, the animal was slaughtered in place of the
  sinner. The sentence of death was still carried out
  according to the LAW. However, this process of
  animal substitution had to be repeated because the
  sinless animal, while suffering the death sentence for
  the guilty person, could not thereafter impart
  PERFECT LIFE to the sinner, making future sin
  inevitable.

  The Messiah will be the Savior of the Whole World, Jews and Gentiles.

  

  Isaiah 11:10 "And in that day there shall be a Root of Jesse, who shall stand as a banner to the people; for the Gentiles shall seek Him, and His resting place shall be glorious."

  Isaiah 42:1 "Behold! My Servant whom I uphold, my Elect One in whom My soul delights! I have put My Spirit upon Him; he will bring forth justice to the Gentiles.

  Isaiah 49:6 Indeed He says, `It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved ones of Israel; I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles, that You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.'"

  Ezekiel 33: 12 - THEREFORE, THOU SON OF MAN , SAY UNTO THE CHILDREN OF THY PEOPLE , THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE RIGHTEOUS SHALL NOT DELIVER HIM IN THE DAY OF HIS TRANSGRESSION :

  "How then can we be saved? All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags" - Is. 64: 6

  God’s resting place would no longer be the Temple but within His own people who would also include the Gentiles:

  "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." Jer. 31:33

  We can't do it ourselves designs. Get off the hampster wheel, let go and let God ....
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  God Says Scripture is Enough

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

  as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

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  If I know something is wrong, I just DON'T DO IT and it's not difficult!

  So you think you are a good person then?

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_cFhj703G8
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  God Says Scripture is Enough

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

  as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

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  designs, It feels so good to finally be at rest. Nothing you can say will change that. You should know that by now after all these years.
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  God Says Scripture is Enough

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

  as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

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  Perry

  There is nothiing more compelling in Christ than what exists in other religions .

  Here are two compelling reasons:

  Freed From Works

  All the religions you cite stress works. The JW's stress works. Jesus liberates a person from the tyranny of works. Having been liberated, I would never return to that bondage. Jesus stresses belief as the "work of God". Good things (fruits of Spirit) naturally flow from that rest, and are evidence of that belief.

  "For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His." - Hebrews 4: 10

  Freed From Condemnation:

  "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already" - Jn 3:18

  We are born into a condemned condition; having been severed from the family and righteousness of God, we inherited the sin, family, & condemnation of ADAM.

  All will be judged; that is man's destiny after death. Hebrews 9:27 makes this clear; "it is appointed unto man once to die, and then judgment". This is the ultimate duty of God as lawgiver. The Good News is that not all will be condemned.

  Further, the very one who offers to die in your place will be YOUR judge:

  "Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly, not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before by God, even to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead. And He commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is He who was ordained by God to be Judge of the living and the dead. To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.” - Acts 10

  And who can forget this plea: Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

  In the end, God simply gives people what they request. If you want works, God will judge you by your works. If you believe God, you "WILL NOT be condemned."
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  God Says Scripture is Enough

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

  as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

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  As JWs we thought the watchtower(tm) represented the bible with that spin 'bible based'.

  Amazing how they succeeded in replacing the bible with the Watchtower and replacing Christ as Mediator with themselves as mediator...all with such simple word spins like the example you provide above.
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  God Says Scripture is Enough

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

  as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

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  Perry

  The book of Enoch is a history book, like the book of Jasher, which is mentioned by name twice in the bible and quoted once, if I recall. The Book of Enoch, Jasher, and others while interesting, are not Scripture. The Holy Spirit did not lead the church to include them in the canon of Scripture.

  I think Paul's words are on point here:

  As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith. But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.
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  God Says Scripture is Enough

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from the 2013 new world translation 2 tim.

  all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, so that the man of god may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.. .

  as jw's we must have read that scripture a thousand times.

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  Many good points RJ .... you ratchet the issue up to the next level.

  It is not a book that one should be listening to, but Christ himself..... No book can be "the way, the truth and the life."

  Right On. The bible is sort of a tutor (like The Law) leading us to Christ himself.

  But remember, "faith cometh by hearing". I remember the first time I read in a majority text NT bible that "God was manifest in the flesh" as opposed to "he was manifest in the flesh". I literally leaped out of bed.