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900 Top Scientists Sign Statement Skeptical of Macro-Evolution

by Perry in

we are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural .

selection to account for the complexity of life.

careful examination of the .

Perry

Personally, I enjoy reading about recovering evolutionists far more than debating. - Perry

Do you not realise how flawed that line of thought is? - LP97

There are no flaws in preferences. This is just what I prefer, neither being right or wrong. I did my college work in sociology. Though I am a businessman now, I am still interested in how people react leaving varied social constructs. There is no "flaw" in observation..... to the contrary, a great deal can be learned.

Having experienced a drastic paradigm shift myself when I left the Watchtower and eventually believed God; I am interested in others who have experienced similar paradigm shifts in their beliefs. This is why this is posted under the "beliefs" section.

For the sociologist (in me), he is more interested in the lives of those that experience such a shift, rather than the lack of proofs that would cause these scientists to abandon the standard "party line" theory of evolution.

I hope that helps to clarify where I'm coming from.

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900 Top Scientists Sign Statement Skeptical of Macro-Evolution

by Perry in

we are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural .

selection to account for the complexity of life.

careful examination of the .

Perry

Personally, I enjoy reading about recovering evolutionists far more than debating: I found these:

Emeritus Professor Tyndale John Rendle-Short - From (theistic) evolution to creation

For Prof himself, educated at Cambridge and brought up with his father's writings, theistic evolution (or its variant, progressive creationism) was the natural direction for him to take. His odyssey to being chairman of one of the most effective creation science outreach ministries in the world was overseen by the Lord's hand in countless ways, both large and small.

Charlie Lieberts - (Chemist)

Charlie Liebert’s idea of a good time back in New Jersey was to drink beer with a bunch of buddies and mock Billy Graham on television. A self-described “atheistic evolutionist,” Liebert would ridicule the fact that he and his friends were “sinners.”

Dr. Gary Parker (Biologist)

"I was very consciously trying to get students to bend their religious beliefs to evolution."

"Evolution was really my religion, a faith commitment and a complete world-and-life view that organized everything else for me, and I got quite emotional when evolution was challenged." Dr. Gary Parker's testimony as to how he went from teaching evolution at the college level to being a leading spokesman for Biblical creationism. - See the full story at From Evolution to Creation: A Personal Testimony

Dr. D. Russell Humphreys (Physicist)

While neither of the two links we have for Dr. Humphreys states that he was a former evolutionists and atheist, we know this to be true from a 1999 debate he participated in at Harvard University in which he stated these things. See this interview with Dr. Humphreys at: Creation in the Physics Lab.

Dr. Alan Galbraith (Watershed Science)

"I attended a creation seminar arranged by my pastor. I had only been a Christian for some four years or so, and was still a convinced evolutionist. I have to admit that I went with the attitude — what can this pastor, whose last science course was probably in junior high school, tell me about the area I know so much about?" See Recovery from evolution (Alan Galbraith interview)

According to modern evolutionary theory, our planet originated from the accumulation of hot, gaseous material ejected from the sun, and the Precambrian granites were among the first rocks to form during the cooling process. University science courses convinced me that the evolution of the earth was just a part of the cosmic evolution of the universe. As a result I became a theistic evolutionist. Years later I began to re-examine the scientific basis for that decision. My thoughts turned to the age of the earth and the Precambrian granites. Were they really billions of years old? See Dr. Gentry's Book Overview . See his web site at Earth Science Associates .

Tulane University

Dr. Richard Lumsden (1938-1997) was a professor of parasitology and cell biology at Tulane University in Louisiana where he also served as the dean of the graduate school of biological sciences. During his illustrious career, Lumsden published about 90 peer-reviewed papers and was awarded the Henry Baldwin Ward medal (the highest world-recognized award for parasitology ). He also received over 21 research grants and contracts from many well-known organizations such as the National Institutes of Health, the National Science Foundation and the United States Food & Drug Administration (FDA).

In the YouTube video below, Lumsden (a self-proclaimed evolutionist and Christian ridiculer) relates that after giving a lecture at Tulane University on the theory of evolution, one of his best students began asking him questions about evolution which he later realized had caused him to doubt his long-held evolutionary worldview . The doubts set Lumsden out on a search for truth. In his video testimony, Lumsden tells how he came to believe in a Creator and eventually walked up the isle of a church to accept Jesus Christ as his savior.

See video here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s91-ABJ49ho#t=382

In his testimony, Dr. Lumsden says he was a staunch Darwinian evolutionist who took great pleasure in ridiculing Christian beliefs during his university classroom lectures. After the Louisiana legislature passed a law requiring pre-college teachers to give creation equal time with evolution in the classroom, Lumsden became so outraged that he prepared and delivered a lecture at Tulane University in support of Darwinian evolution. After the lecture, one of Dr. Lumsden’s top students asked to meet with him so she could “get some of her facts straight.” During the meeting, without being judgmental or argumentative, the student (who was a Christian) began asking Dr. Lumsden a series of questions about evolution. Three hours later when the student thanked him and walked out of his office, Lumsden realized the student’s questions had left him with a lot of doubt in his mind about the theory of evolution, a theory he had wholeheartedly embraced for many years.

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900 Top Scientists Sign Statement Skeptical of Macro-Evolution

by Perry in

we are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural .

selection to account for the complexity of life.

careful examination of the .

Perry

“We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural
selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the
evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.”

This was last publicly updated April, 2014. Scientists listed by doctoral degree or current position.

Philip Skell* Emeritus, Evan Pugh Prof. of Chemistry, Pennsylvania State University Member of the National Academy of Sciences
Lyle H. Jensen Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Biological Structure & Dept. of Biochemistry University of Washington, Fellow AAAS
Maciej Giertych Full Professor, Institute of Dendrology Polish Academy of Sciences
Lev Beloussov Prof. of Embryology, Honorary Prof., Moscow State University Member, Russian Academy of Natural Sciences
Eugene Buff Ph.D. Genetics Institute of Developmental Biology,
Russian Academy of Sciences
Emil Palecek Prof. of Molecular Biology, Masaryk University; Leading Scientist Inst. of Biophysics, Academy of Sci., Czech Republic
K. Mosto Onuoha Shell Professor of Geology & Deputy Vice-Chancellor, Univ. of Nigeria Fellow, Nigerian Academy of Science
Ferenc Jeszenszky Former Head of the Center of Research Groups Hungarian Academy of Sciences
M.M. Ninan Former President Hindustan Academy of Science,
Bangalore University (India)
Denis Fesenko Junior Research Fellow, Engelhardt Institute of Molecular Biology Russian Academy of Sciences (Russia)
Sergey I. Vdovenko Senior Research Assistant, Department of Fine Organic Synthesis Institute of Bioorganic Chemistry and Petrochemistry
Ukrainian National Academy of Sciences (Ukraine)
Henry Schaefer Director, Center for Computational Quantum Chemistry University of Georgia
Paul Ashby Ph.D. Chemistry Harvard University
Israel Hanukoglu Professor of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology Chairman The College of Judea and Samaria (Israel)
Alan Linton Emeritus Professor of Bacteriology University of Bristol (UK)
Dean Kenyon Emeritus Professor of Biology San Francisco State University
David W. Forslund Ph.D. Astrophysics, Princeton University Fellow of American Physical Society
Robert W. Bass Ph.D. Mathematics (also: Rhodes Scholar; Post-Doc at Princeton) Johns Hopkins University
John Hey Associate Clinical Prof. (also: Fellow, American Geriatrics Society) Dept. of Family Medicine, ...........

Source

One Example: Renowned Chemist Says Evolutionists Do Not Understand the Origin of Life

HOUSTON – A prominent chemist who was recognized this year as one of the 50 most influential scientists in the world says most scientists do not understand how evolution could explain the existence of life.

Dr. James Tour is a well-known professor at Rice University, specializing in chemistry, nanoengineering, and computer science. Over the last 30 years, Tour has authored over 500 research publications, and he was recognized as one of “The 50 Most Influential Scientists in the World Today” by TheBestSchools.org. Tour has also received awards and recognitions from the American Chemical Society, Thomson Reuters, Honda, NASA, and others.

In a video released in late 2012, Tour explained that he has had extensive experience studying the origin of life.

“I will tell you as a scientist and a synthetic chemist,” Tour said, “if anybody should be able to understand evolution, it is me, because I make molecules for a living, and I don’t just buy a kit, and mix this and mix this, and get that. I mean, ab initio, I make molecules. I understand how hard it is to make molecules.”

Despite his experiences and expertise, Tour admits that he does not understand how evolution could account for life’s existence. Article

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Early Evidence for 1 John 5: 7

by Perry in

italic 4th and 5th century.

629 in the 14th century.

429 in the 14th century (margin).

Perry

I appreciate your research Perry. There is also considerable research that demonstrates the spurious nature of 1 John 5:7

I know. That is kinda a given being this is an ex-JW site. As a JW, I always heard that this was added in the 15 century or so blah, blah , blah. And, that it doesn't appear in the oldest Greek manuscripts blah, blah, blah. I was soooo sure that was the end of the matter. I was so cock sure of myself as a JW. Now, I realize there is much more to the story than that.

If it was added in the 15th century like the Watchtower told us, then how did it get into all the other manuscripts and quotes from the early church fathers from as early as 170 AD?

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Accounts of Jesus From Hostile Ancient Sources

by Perry in

from ancient accounts hostile to christinity, we can learn the following:.

jesus was born and lived in palestine.

he was born, supposedly, to a virgin and had an earthly father who was a carpenter.

Perry

I personally appreciated the research that this guy did. Hostile sources are excellent ways of corroborating things. I have never seen such a list of quotes all in one place. Several, I had not considered before.

Most of his conclusions that appear in my opening post seem rather sound. All in all, a good read for the history buff.

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Accounts of Jesus From Hostile Ancient Sources

by Perry in

from ancient accounts hostile to christinity, we can learn the following:.

jesus was born and lived in palestine.

he was born, supposedly, to a virgin and had an earthly father who was a carpenter.

Perry

From ancient accounts hostile to Christinity, we can learn the following:

Jesus was born and lived in Palestine. He was born, supposedly, to a virgin and had an earthly father who was a carpenter. He was a teacher who taught that through repentance and belief, all followers would become brothers and sisters. He led the Jews away from their beliefs. He was a wise man who claimed to be God and the Messiah.

He had unusual magical powers and performed miraculous deeds. He healed the lame. He accurately predicted the future. He was persecuted by the Jews for what He said, betrayed by Judah Iskarioto. He was beaten with rods, forced to drink vinegar and wear a crown of thorns. He was crucified on the eve of the Passover and this crucifixion occurred under the direction of Pontius Pilate, during the time of Tiberius.

On the day of His crucifixion, the sky grew dark and there was an earthquake. Afterward, He was buried in a tomb and the tomb was later found to be empty. He appeared to His disciples resurrected from the grave and showed them His wounds. These disciples then told others Jesus was resurrected and ascended into heaven. Jesus’ disciples and followers upheld a high moral code. One of them was named Matthai. The disciples were also persecuted for their faith but were martyred without changing their claims. They met regularly to worship Jesus, even after His death.

Read the evidence Article compiled by Cold-Case Detective, J. Warner Wallace

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Article: JW woman (19) - receives 29-month sentence for killing her newborn

by AndersonsInfo in

jw
friends

morales receives 29-month sentence.

http://m.record-eagle.com/news/local_news/article_402b8194-2f32-53a5-af1e-fbe9ba9bd76b.html?mode=jqm.

by matt troutman [email protected] | posted7 days ago.

Perry

Awww, the robotic, unfeeling world of Wachtowerism.

Morales' aunt Elsie Vela testified that she felt their family failed Morales because they knew about the pregnancy. She pointed out that church elders were present at the campground when she went into labor.

"We never, ever thought she was that terrified, she was that isolated," she said.

Williams said the church members' presence explains what he found "most astonishing" about Morales' labor — that she didn't make "a peep" in the tent.

Something really weird about this story.

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Noob-lite?

by Darth Fader The Sequel in

Perry

Sooner or later new light will be forced on everyone; resistence is futile.

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Early Evidence for 1 John 5: 7

by Perry in

italic 4th and 5th century.

629 in the 14th century.

429 in the 14th century (margin).

Perry

Tell me more about that omnipresent baptism of good ole Yeshua! God descended up on himself, approved himself and presented himself to himself to do his own will. ABSOLUTELY AMAZING !!! WOOOOO HOOOOO !!!

Hebrews 1

God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You” ?

And again:

“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son” ?

6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”

7 And of the angels He says:

“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire."

8 But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;

..., he said, And let all the angels of God worship him.

The deity of Christ is well attested to in scripture. None of the angels were begotten. They were created. Similarly, I might create a statue or a watch or a computer chip, but I begat my children, I didn't create them.

My children carry 50% of my uniqueness, my dna. They are very literally "of me" or "from me".

God does not have DNA to characterize his uniqueness. Furthermore, his unique essence cannot be divided like our DNA can because he is omnipresent by his nature. Every "part" of his essense is omnipresent, along with his other omnis that characterize his nature. Somehow his very essence was overlaid or welded to the physical Man Jesus of Nazareth. He is fully man by nature but also posesses the nature of God, which cannot be divided. He is "God manifest in the flesh".

This is the meaning of the sayings of Jesus when he said he was "from" his Father; or "of" his father. He meant that literally he was from his essence, not his locality.

Hope this helps.

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Leaving the JWs, experiencing Christianity and finding freedom! (But it took awhile)

by im_free in

this is my first post here.. i was raised in "the truth", and am an ex-bethelite who worked in brooklyn for several years back in the 90's.

a few years after i left bethel, i started to become disillusioned after doing research about the society and reading crisis of conscience (i know..i wasn't supposed to do that lol).

i eventually stopped attending meetings and going out in service.

Perry

Now I am wondering, is there anyone else here that has had this experience?

I have. I thought I became a Christian for a while but then became disillusioned because I wasn't experiencing the victory that I read about in the NT. The liberal feel good church I was going to didn't help either. Sorta drifted into agnostic. But then, through a series of events I was forced to make a permanent decision for Christ. It was me hiding my "christianity" from my JW family that prevented Jesus from accepting my application for membership into his family.

When Jesus asks us to believe in him, he means him exclusively, and before anything else. When he says that we must be willing to say goodbye to our mothers and fathers to have a relationship with him, he wasn't just blowing hot air. He meant it. I wasted alot of time testing that and got no where.

After I believed (and more importantly trusted) the Lord Jesus Christ, my life really took off....slowly at first, but nonetheless progressive. Consistent victories, amid great challenges.

The turning point was when I burned my bridges with my 4th generation JW family... torched them down to the ground, by challenging them to find EVEN ONE SCRIPTURE that would indicate a person could get saved from judgment outside of the New Covenant. I'm still waiting.

Immediate and drastic shunning of me, my new wife, and two new born children quickly followed. They were sure it was just a phase I was going through. Over the last ten years I have continually taken the battle to heaven. My prayer group at church prays for them regularly. I can now have infrequent visits and challenge things from the bible, and not hide like a coward.

I am no longer ashamed of Jesus and he is no longer ashamed of me. The battle that I have concerning my family of origin, is to the death, mine or theirs. I will never hold them responsible for their idolatry and shunning. I love them. I will fight this battle on my knees for them until they are strong enough to take a stand for themselves.

I would highly encourage anyone wishing to get right with God and experience his power and victory to do the same.

We have dozens of relatives that are JW's, I was a regular pioneer, brothers and Dad all elders and Ministerial Servants, lots of of other elder relatives. My mother has been baptized for 71 years and attended the first Kingdom Hall in Houston, Texas. I was a 3rd gen on my dad's side and 4th gen on my moms side.

My children are now 2nd generation Christians.