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  Gave my first hour talk sunday before last

  by Perry in

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  2. friends

  i started going door to door at age 5 and was giving no.

  2 talks by age 7. during the 8 years i was an active adult jw i was never a ms or elder (although i was a regular pioneer once).

  so, i never qualified to give an hour talk.

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  I may post something in the future. I looked at the video and wasn't happy with my delivery. I used a script as opposed to an outline because I have a terrible habit of wandering off too much when using an outline. 

  The Wall Street Journal recently had an interesting piece on creation here. But regardless of what position ex members take, I think that we would all agree that Christians are in a unique position to help JW's question their own beliefs from a biblical point of view.

  They may shun us, but they actively seek out Christians at their homes. 
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  Did Taze ever really go away?

  by woodforde in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as a recent wbts watcher (i am writing a thesis on "cults", not limited to jw's but they are a true gold-mine to research), i notice that the planning for their proposed new factory near chelmsford has been submitted in the name of the international bible students association.

  surely a legal "deev" of some sort.

  does anyone have any views, derived from experience, arcane knowledge or good ol' conspiracy theory - doesn't matter which!

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  Yes, but he did leave a lot of people tazed and confused.
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  Gave my first hour talk sunday before last

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i started going door to door at age 5 and was giving no.

  2 talks by age 7. during the 8 years i was an active adult jw i was never a ms or elder (although i was a regular pioneer once).

  so, i never qualified to give an hour talk.

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  Perry

  Hebrews 9: 27 and Matthew 26: 27, 28
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  Gave my first hour talk sunday before last

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i started going door to door at age 5 and was giving no.

  2 talks by age 7. during the 8 years i was an active adult jw i was never a ms or elder (although i was a regular pioneer once).

  so, i never qualified to give an hour talk.

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  It was a great personal achievement for me to be able to talk objectively about Jehovah's Witnesses and encourage Christians to have real compassion for members at their door. I was able to explain why when Christians talk about Heaven it doesn't mean the same thing to a JW, as well as other areas of disconnect, .... trinity, soul sleep, etc.

  I wrapped up with a door to door demonstration. My wife was the JW and came on stage with my 8 Yr. old and knocked on the door. I showed how to avoid arguments and with only 2 scripture citations from the NWT leave the Witness with the "I don't know" look. 

  
  

  I prepared for a week but, I think everyone liked the 3 minute demo the best. 
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  Gave my first hour talk sunday before last

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i started going door to door at age 5 and was giving no.

  2 talks by age 7. during the 8 years i was an active adult jw i was never a ms or elder (although i was a regular pioneer once).

  so, i never qualified to give an hour talk.

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  Perry

  I started going door to door at age 5 and was giving No. 2 talks by age 7. During the 8 years I was an active adult JW I was never a MS or Elder (although I was a regular pioneer once). So, I never qualified to give an hour talk. 

  I gave my first hour talk two Sundays ago (complete with Powerpoint) at my church on the subject of Jehovah's Witnesses and some of their doctrines. 

  Funny how things end up. 
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  The intcal13 dataset: The best evidence I know of for C14 dating.

  by bohm in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  carbon 14 dating is often dismissed as relying on the assumption the c14/c12 ratio in the past has been comparable to the present, however what is rarely acknowledged is this assumption can be checked.

  the way the assumption is checked is by finding a system which admits dating independent of c14.

  popular choices are dendrochronology, where tree-rings are counted and by matching variation in tree-ring width across trees it is possible to build a chronology stretching back 12000 years, or varvas, where yearly variations in sediment deposits in lakes admit chronologies to be build stretching back tens of thousands of years.

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  http://www.debate.org/debates/Radiometric-Dating-is-Accurate/3/ 

  
  

  I'm not supportive of Watchtower theology, but after my families' experience with authority figures in the WT, I doubt much of what gets passed off as fact in our world. See above link for a pro & con discussion on dating. 
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  The Bible's huge implicit contradiction on the subject of love for God vs love for your fellow man.

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  "if anyone makes the statement: i love god, and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar.

  for he who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot be loving god, whom he has not seen" - 1 john 4:20. here the bible implies that it is far easier to love a visible person than an invisible one.

  therefore if one lacks love for a visible person, how much more so he must lack love for the invisible god.

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  And by the way, what kind of loving God would require his worshippers to have greater love for him than for their family - to sacrifice their family relationships for him?

  
  

  The kind of people that believe God when he says that there will be judgment after death will appreciate this requirement if their family demands that they do things or believe things in a way that is disobedient to God....Like the WT does for example. 
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  Books/texts/scriptures mentioned in the bible , though not incorporated in the bible cannon .

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if a bible writer / scribe refers to a particular book text or scripture by name , for one reason or another, shouldn`t that be a legitimate reason for including it in the bible cannon as a part of the bible ?.

  just how many texts , books, scriptures are left out of the old testament bible that are mentioned there in and how many, if any are their in the new testament..

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  If a bible writer / scribe refers to a particular book text or scripture by name , for one reason or another, shouldn`t that be a legitimate reason for including it in the bible cannon as a part of the bible ?

  
  

  
  Not necessarily. Some books were simply history books available during that time period. I own the Book of Jasher, and it sheds some more light on the extent of wickedness in pre-flood times. Interesting, but I take it with a grain of salt. Interesting nonetheless. 
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  I'm studying with Jehovah's Witnesses!!

  by Kulotti79 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello all... i currently studying the bible teach book and i'm just curious what information does the study conductor record about the student and is it passed on??

  and they keep on saying "the truth" which is starting to get on my nerves.

  lol.

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  In John 14:6 Jesus explains that he himself is the truth - "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

  He told us this knowing that in future generations others would claim that they alone had the truth. The truth isn't in a location. The Truth is a person. 
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  In search of WWWW (What's Wrong with Watchtower)

  by Fernando in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in more than 40 years of doorknocking not a single person was ever able to sit down with me and kindly and patiently explain exactly "what's wrong with watchtower" in simple terms and baby-steps that i could grasp at the time.. of course i have to admit it is not as easy as one might hope.. this morning one possible (not simple enough) summary came to mind:.

  the bible promotes belief in jesus and the liberating and transforming gospel message about him (in both the nt and ot).. the watchtower instead promotes belief in a visible golden calf and pseudo-mediator between god and man in the form of:.

  blind authoritarian clerics who have co-opted the word "elder" and turned it into a title (aka apostate "clericalism").

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  One nice Christian lady took the time to explain to me that Christians believe in a "paradise earth". I was dumbfounded and didn't know what to talk about since we both believed the same thing on this topic. 

  I now know that both Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses refer to this future time period as Christ's Millennium Reign. The term "paradise earth" doesn't appear in scripture. 

  It would be helpful if Christians could explain to JW's how they are personally saved through the blood of Christ and that this is necessary because there will be a personal judgment after a person dies according to Hebrews 9: 27... even in the NWT bible.