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  How To Witness to Jehovah's Witnesses Video

  by Perry in

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  i recently shared my views on how to witness to jehovah's witnesses to a local congregation.

  the video link is also below:.

  maybe this will help some reach out to loved ones that are still members.. .

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  Perry

  I know the delivery was slow. There is a reason for that. I imagined that my JW parents were sitting on the front row who are in their 80's the whole time. I know the delivery wont appeal to certain people. It is not meant to appeal to everyone.

  This talk is definitely not meant to give to JW's as a DVD either. Everybody knows that once the JW viewer knows I am a former member, they would never watch it anyway. Don't waste your time. Even many ex-jws are usually too hurt and beat up from having lost loved ones to have a calm logical conversation on this.... a least for a good long while, maybe never for some.

  At any rate, I have found that a lot of Christians are very interested in how to talk to JW's. The pastoral staff told me that this service was the most highly requested DVD of a service they ever had. That really surprised me since we get guest speakers from ministries all over the world.

  I am training Christians to overcome several lies/misconceptions when they speak to JW's:

  1. Jesus is their Mediator

  JW's will almost always initially claim this, whether they know its true or not. Spending a little time on this is VERY helpful. Even if you don't have a Watchtower quote proving that Jesus is not their mediator, you can get there just by reasoning from THEIR bible alone. Here's how:

  Hebrews 12: 24 - ...and Jesus the mediator of a new covenant NWT

  Which brings us to the 2nd lie/misconception that JW's will tell you

  2. They are part of the New Covenant

  Most JW's will tell you they are part of the New Covenant hoping that you don't know about them rejecting the NC at the Lord's Supper service. Once you question them on this they will admit that the NC is not for them personally. The problem then becomes apparent after you read Matthew 26: 27,27 which clearly states the PURPOSE of the NC is for forgiveness of sins. If they are not part of the NC, then how are their sins forgiven?

  3. They will grow to perfection in the Millennium Reign

  Some may claim this as their hope. However at least two scriptures prove the impossibility of this:

  a. “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. - Rev. 7:14 (NWT)

  There is no need for tribulation survivors to "grow to perfection" as the Watchtower teaches because the tribulation survivors are already declared righteous as indicated by their white robes. They were white because they ALSO are part of the NC because they were washed in the blood covenant of the lamb.

  b. Gal 2:16...by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

  Just in case anyone wants to wiggle out of Rev. 7: 14, they can be reminded of the impossibility of "growing to perfection" because God says he rejects any such notion in Gal 2: 16.

  I have already made plans to talk at two other churches. Perhaps one of these Christians will speak to one of your family members who are still in and it will start their "wake-up process" so that your relationship can one day be restored.

  That is my hope and prayer.

  
  
  
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  How To Witness to Jehovah's Witnesses Video

  by Perry in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i recently shared my views on how to witness to jehovah's witnesses to a local congregation.

  the video link is also below:.

  maybe this will help some reach out to loved ones that are still members.. .

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  Perry

  The purpose of my talk was to demonstrate just how easy it is to show a JW, using their own bible, that they really have no idea how their sins are forgiven. This is significant.

  I can say everything that I want to say to a JW in less than 5 minutes. On dozens of occasions, I have achieved the "deer in the headlights" look every time using the method that my wife and I demonstrated. I wish that someone would have cared enough for me while I was a witness to take a couple minutes to confront me about the fact that there is no forgiveness of sins in the Watchtower system. I would have also liked to have been confronted on the unbiblical belief that we get a clean slate at death.

  My approach explains why we frequently heard the charge that JW's don't believe in Jesus. Of course we all thought that was ridiculous back when were all active JW's. What Christians were really trying to say was that JW's don't believe Jesus. There is a difference. We believed Jesus lived. We just didn't believe he was talking to us.
  
  

  I have a local elder on video tape admitting that if Jesus was not his mediator that he was in the wrong religion!

  I'd call that a victory.
  

  Hopefully he went and did some research after that.

  The one scripture I didn't highlight that I wished I had was Gal 2:16

  ...by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
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  How To Witness to Jehovah's Witnesses Video

  by Perry in

  1. jw
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  i recently shared my views on how to witness to jehovah's witnesses to a local congregation.

  the video link is also below:.

  maybe this will help some reach out to loved ones that are still members.. .

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  I recently shared my views on how to witness to Jehovah's Witnesses to a local congregation. The video link is also below:

  Maybe this will help some reach out to loved ones that are still members.

  https://vimeo.com/122931048
  
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  Freedom of Religion for All or Few?

  by blondie in

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  http://www.cato.org/blog/religious-persecution-first-freedom-remains-under-global-siege .

  march 19, 2015 10:05amreligious persecution: first freedom remains under global siege.

  by doug bandow americans take religious liberty for granted.

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  Perry

  Interesting data.

  Man's natural bent is hostility toward God:

  because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, - Romans 8: 7
  
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  BART EHRMAN answers my question

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as a member on bart ehrman's blog, i am able to ask him direct questions.is jehovah in the bible?.

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  how firmly grounded in reality is the claim of jehovahs witnesses that the divine name (jehovah) belongs in the new testament?.

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  He writes stuff like a child throwing a tantrum:
  

  "Though Ehrman claims to hold the high ground of scholarship and intellect, he makes childish errors of fact. For example, he says that the belief in the Bible as infallibly inspired began in the 19th century.
  
  “Church historians have traced the view, rather precisely, to the Niagara Conference on the Bible, in the 1870s, held over a number of years to foster belief in the Bible in opposition to liberal theologians who were accepting the results of historical scholarship. In 1878 the conference summarized the true faith in a series of fourteen statements. The very first one -- to be believed above all else -- was not belief in God, or in the death and resurrection of Jesus. It was belief in the Bible” (Ehrman, “Jesus Saves, Not the Bible,” newsweek.washingtonpost.com, May 1, 2009).
  
  In fact, the writers of the New Testament taught that the Scripture is infallible. Paul said, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16). And Peter wrote, “For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” (2 Peter 1:21).
  
  Even if it were true that Paul and Peter didn’t write those epistles, it is still true that whoever wrote them taught the infallibility of biblical inspiration 2,000 years ago!
  
  Further, ancient creeds described the infallible inspiration of Scripture long before 1870. Consider the Westminster Confession of 1646, which stated not only the infallible inspiration but also the providential preservation of Scripture:
  
  “The Old Testament in Hebrew (which was the native language of the people of God of old), and the New Testament in Greek (which, at the time of the writing of it, was most generally known to the nations), BEING IMMEDIATELY INSPIRED BY GOD, and by His singular care and providence, KEPT PURE in all ages, are therefore AUTHENTICAL; so as, in all controversies of religion, the Church is finally to appeal unto them.”
  

  
  

  IMO, Ehrman seems like he has an axe to grind at God:

  
  
  

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  "In describing his spiritual background, Ehrman describes an event that occurred when his father was dying of cancer. His charismatic youth group leader visited the hospital and “used a bottle of hotel shampoo to ‘anoint’ his father, and tried to persuade his father to confess specific sins” (“Former Fundamentalist ‘Debunks’ Bible,” CNN, May 15, 2009). Ehrman says he was angry at the man for acting “self-righteous” and “hypocritical.” This event, though, does not reflect negatively on a biblicist faith. It simply proves that this particular youth leader was a misguided man. The Bible does not instruct us to anoint people with shampoo."

  
  
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  BART EHRMAN answers my question

  by TerryWalstrom in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as a member on bart ehrman's blog, i am able to ask him direct questions.is jehovah in the bible?.

  question:.

  how firmly grounded in reality is the claim of jehovahs witnesses that the divine name (jehovah) belongs in the new testament?.

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  Perry

  Bart Ehrman is a tragic figure, and a heretic.

  "Ehrman rejects the deity, sinlessness, miracles, and bodily resurrection of Jesus. He believes that the Christian faith is a myth and that at least 19 of the books in the New Testament are forgeries"

  
  

  - Way of Life
  
  
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  I am going to pioneer after the holidays!

  by snakeface in

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  yes, you heard right.. as you know, most christian organizations publish and distribute little tracts with their gospel message.

  well they also make some that expose the lies of the wt, and explain how it is a cult.

  even if people are not interested in the "gospel message" in these tracts, the tracts do a good job exposing the wt as a cult.. now, those of you who are now agnostic or athiests or just non-religious, please keep reading, to understand what i plan to do.... i am expecting to receive $$ for christmas.

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  I left when I realized the governing body set themselves up as a mediator between Christ and man, which of course is wrong.

  Bravo!!
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  Top Scientist descent from Creationism

  by Coded Logic in

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  http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?isbn=0309064066&page=25.

  http://www.nas.edu/evolution/intelligentdesign.html.

  http://www.aaas.org/news/aaas-board-resolution-intelligent-design-theory.

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  I agree. Top scientists have descended from Creation
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  Gifts from my old hall..

  by Garrett in

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  hey guys,.

  so, it seems the hall i used to attend before my latest one got to hearing that i "disappeared".

  so today, i went to the post office to pick up a package.... i decided to try to face reality and open it... what i found were multiple letters and wrapped gifts.

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  Perry

  You are in control of your future. You are not a victim.

  I used to notice how a lot of JW's treat people like victims who really aren't. This is just a control technique. Healthy people treat others with respect, even if they disagree with them; recognizing that everyone has a God-given free will to choose.
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  ABCNews Nightline: Segment on JW absuse cases here......

  by WingCommander in

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  here is the segment on the conti abuse case in california and jehovah's witness's response as reported on by the abcnews nightline broadcast which was shown early this morning.

  it really displays some absolutely shocking behavior from not only her abuser and his (supportive) wife, but also the jw attorneys and elders via video.

  i am just blown away by the audacity displayed by these monsters.. we can now understand why governing body member stephen lett slipped in his comments a couple of weeks ago about "untrue reports of child abuse" in one of his talks which can viewed on the cult's website.

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  It's kinda like the Watchtower wants their own version of Sharia Law and would like nothing better than for everyone else to butt out.

  JW's are not Christian because they virtually deny their members the opportunity to be born again with a new spirit because of their unscriptural teaching on the "great crowd" being outside the New Covenant. Hence, members are stuck with will power alone to deal with sin. They never experience the victory you read about in Acts and in other NT books.

  It is interesting that this has opened a floodgate of others who are now coming forward.