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  Evidence for a Young Earth

  by Perry in

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  I'm not sure if the Watchtower ever held a Young-Earth view.... at least not as young as the plain reading of Genesis.

  My earliest recollection of the WT teaching on this subject was the 7 x 7000 years theory for a total of 49,000 years. The theory was that each creative day was 7000 years long. I'm not sure where that came from. But, I remember that being abandoned in the late 70's to early 80's. That's when the "millions of Years" were quietly adopted. I remember others more "advanced" than I in the organization explaining that we didn't know how long each creative day was. They adopted the concept that a 'day' could have been just a figure of speech, and not literal. However, that never really seemed like a fair description of the plain-reading of Genesis to me.

  The Gap Theory is a Christian taught theory that allows for millions of years, prior to the creation of man. It pre-dates Darwin:

  
  

  The Young Earth Creationists would raise these problems with the Gap Theorists though.

  Some things look old. But, many things look young and are just simply out of place and don't fit in the standard naturalistic paradigm being sold to the public.
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  Evidence for a Young Earth

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  Could the Watchtower have been wrong about earths' age along with all the other things they got wrong?? 

  
  

  #1 Very Little Sediment on the Seafloor

  For Additional Information:

  • The Sands of Time: A Biblical Model of Deep Sea-Floor Sedimentation
  • The Sands of Time: A Biblical Model of Deep Sea-Floor Sedimentation (pdf)
  • “Sea Salt, Erosion, and Sediments” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past1 (pdf)

  
  

  #2 Bent Rock Layers

  For Additional Information:

  • Rock Layers Folded, Not Fractured
  • “Soft-Sediment Deformation Features” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past2 (pdf)
  • “Megasequences of North America” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past3 (pdf)

  
  

  #3 Soft Tissue in Fossils

  For Additional Information:

  • Two: Those Not-So-Dry Bones
  • More Soft Tissue in “Old” Fossils

  
  

  #4 Faint Sun Paradox

  For Additional Information:

  • The Young Faint Sun Paradox and the Age of the Solar System

  
  

  #5 Rapidly Decaying Magnetic Field

  For Additional Information:

  • The Earth’s Magnetic Field Is Young
  • The Earth’s Magnetic Field and the Age of the Earth
  • “The Earth’s Magnetic Field” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past4 (pdf)

  
  

  #6 Helium in Radioactive Rocks

  For Additional Information:

  • Helium Diffusion Rates Support Accelerated Nuclear Decay
  • Young Helium Diffusion Age of Zircons Supports Accelerated Nuclear Decay
  • The Age of the Earth’s Atmosphere Estimated by its Helium Content
  • “Helium in Rocks and in the Atmosphere” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past5 (pdf)

  
  

  #7 Carbon-14 in Fossils, Coal, and Diamonds

  For Additional Information:

  • Carbon-14 in Fossils and Diamonds
  • Carbon-14 Evidence for a Recent Global Flood and a Young Earth
  • Measurable 14C in Fossilized Organic Materials: Confirming the Young Earth Creation-Flood Model
  • “The Pitfalls in the Radioactive Dating Methods—The Radiocarbon Dating Method” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past6 (pdf)
  • “Carbon-14 Dating” from Thousands . . . not Billions7 (pdf)

  
  

  #8 Short-Lived Comets

  For Additional Information:

  • Comets and the Age of the Solar System
  • Kuiper Belt Objects: Solution to Short-Period Comets?
  • More Problems for the ‘Oort Comet Cloud’

  
  

  #9 Very Little Salt in the Sea

  For Additional Information:

  • The Sea’s Missing Salt: A Dilemma for Evolutionists
  “Sea Salt, Erosion, and Sediments” from Earth’s Catastrophic Past8 (pdf)

  
  

  #10 DNA in “Ancient” Bacteria

  For Additional Information:

  • Bacterial Life in Ancient Salt
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  Be careful what you wish for (in case you want to wake up your spouse)

  by nevaagain in

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  i want to spare you a long post about my background.

  because this topic is about something else.a small information is that i knew ttatt before i got married.

  but then i somehow pushed it back for quite some time because i didnt want to change my life and it was convenient to instantly meet new people when you move into a new city.couple of years into my marriage and seeing all the changes in the jw my thirst for ttatt resurfaced.

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  The watchower positions itself as a savior by high-jacking the promises of the new-covenant, while at the same time promising an end to accountability at death with non existence as a worst case scenario.

  When people jettisone the Watchtower, they are still left with the worldview that the watchtower installed, no accountability at death & an annihilation of their soul.

  Someone once said that character is proved by what you do when no one else is around.

  We learned little character and much "pretending" as witnesses. Most of us were academy award winner actors.

  Now, without a stage she's not pretending anymore and the inner person is peeking out.

  Through Christ, God offers a new spirit that cannot sin. When followed, the pretending disappears, and a much more authentic life ensues after redemption. One of the first things a person should do when they leave a bible cult is to put forth some effort to find out what they want to do with Jesus.

  Jesus is always the best answer for ___________(fill in blank)___________ .
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  Be careful what you wish for (in case you want to wake up your spouse)

  by nevaagain in

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  i want to spare you a long post about my background.

  because this topic is about something else.a small information is that i knew ttatt before i got married.

  but then i somehow pushed it back for quite some time because i didnt want to change my life and it was convenient to instantly meet new people when you move into a new city.couple of years into my marriage and seeing all the changes in the jw my thirst for ttatt resurfaced.

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  She also said that I robbed her of the fantasy that there is a god and eternal life in a paradise earth.

  Are you an atheist?
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

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  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  bohn, your false assumptions were already refuted pages ago. And you know it.

  The universe had a beginning. You  can't change that. 

  Beginnings have causes. You can't change that either. 

  Since our space/time universe was caused, the cause is outside of space & time, otherwise its own cause would precede it, placing it back in the space time universe, it is still yet to create... an illogical impossibility. So, the whole notion of what is "natural" is placed beyond our space/time universe, quite effectively destroying Materialism/Naturalism. 

  No one has ever seen something from nothing appear. As already addressed, a vacuum is far from "nothing" . Don't confuse the two. Additionally, when virtual particles momentarily appear within a vacuum, they are appearing in a space that already exists, because space itself is part of our universe. 

  Our understanding of the laws of physics is based on observation. We are in territory here well beyond observation.

  Atheists speculate freely on yet unknown laws of physics that would allow a universe to pop into existence from nothing. Even if discovered, the atheist is still left with the serious question; Where did those laws came from? This is usually not included in their speculations. 

  Just another illustration of the many failures of Materialism / Naturalism to explain our existence. 
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

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  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  And something from nothing isn't magic? At least with magic you start with a magician. Materialists start with literally nothing. Why isn't this happening now?

  Materialism:

  The belief that there was nothing and nothing happened to nothing, and then nothing magically exploded for no reason creating everything and everywhere. Then, a bunch of the everything magically rearranged itself for no apparent reason into strands self-replicating bits of a mind-boggling four-letter coding system which then turned into you, which has no eternal purpose or accountability whatsoever.
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

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  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  We have seen people carving things and we have seen peacocks and we understand that people create art. Therefore when we see all of this together it is logical to conclude a conscious person did it.
  No one has seen a god or witnessed a divine creation

  AND,  you have seen causes for effects. In fact, that's all you or anyone else has EVER seen. Why disregard this when it forces you to abandon Materialism?

  If you want to believe what amounts to "doodle bugs" carving a wooden peacock. Fine, I don't personally have a problem with that. But your belief is utterly baseless and without precedent. Ever.

  
  
  
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  False reasoning behind some of the WT rules?

  by nevaagain in

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  what are some false reasoning's behind some of the wt rules?.

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  why is it forbidden as a jw to celebrate birthdays?

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  Do they consider the apostles part of the 144,000 or is it 144,000 plus the people in the bible?

  They consider the apostles and ALL (true) Christians since them to be included in the 144K. until around 1919.

  That's too many you say? Well, I guess they weren't really "true" Christians were they? (wink, wink)

  It's hard for me to accept that I used to believe this stuff. 70 Million Christians have been martyred for their faith since the time of Christ. 
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  My possibly " Unique" Trolly Witness....

  by The Rebel in

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  i don't usually anti-witness anymore, but being out of town and bored i went up and introduced myself to a couple of sisters " trolly witnessing" then a voice from behind me spoke " if you don't mind i think i was in front of you".

  i stepped back, apologising as i did so, and decided to continue with my day.. anyway this trivial incident i post because it may be quite unique, i mean i really can't imagine anywhere else in the world where people are queing up to speak to these people manning " trolly carts" can you?.

  and on the whole i think that's a good thing, even if he was ahead of me only to anti-witness?.

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  I personally am grateful that one woman in field service took the time to explain to me that Christians believe in a paradise earth. They just call it the Millennium Reign. She obviously could see that I was confused on the issue and felt enough empathy to slowly and kindly explain it to me.

  After I learned that, it kind of took the wind out of may sails.

  
  

  The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

  
  

  I never got a chance to thank that lady. She may even think she is a failure as a Christian, and isn't very good at Witnessing. 
  
  
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  Beliefs About What Caused the Universe

  by Perry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.

  whatever begins to exist had a cause.

  therefore the universe had a cause.

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  If you assume a conscious body then you have not chosen the simplest explanation

  WSICM,

  If you were walking in the woods and found a large wooden carved artwork in the shape of a peacock with some doodle bugs crawling around on it. What would be the simplest explanation to explain its existence?

  A. The unconscious doodle bugs did it?

  B. A conscious person did it?

  The doodle bugs are far simpler than a man, but are not the simplest explanation.