the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.
these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.
link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.
John,
Are you feeling ok? First you say that you never heard of the Minimal Facts argument and now you say that you "heard it all before".
Is there something specific from Professor Habermas argument that you found to be false?
Looks to be pretty sound scholarship to me.
P.S. So were you never a JW? ....just fundamentalist Baptist? Please explain.
Also, are you a mythisist (believing that JESUS never existed)?
Thanks
dennis was offered £5 by cool kids smoking pot and fornicating.
he turned it down and went to read the wt as he turned the page.
what did he see?a £5 note.
The one I heard my father repeatedly relate was this:
One old timer pioneer brother got into a heated debate at the door of a wealthy man's large home. The househoulder tried to shut the door. But the old pioneer put his foot in it for one final comment. He said, "One day in the new system, I'm gonna live in this big home".
Years later, at a convention the old pioneer brother felt a tap on his shoulder. When he turned around, he was met by the very same householder who said, "Hey brother..... if you still want that house your going to have to buy it now, I just got baptized" !
What a happifying day that proved to be, I'm sure.
the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.
these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.
link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.
Hi John,
You already stated that you are not familiar with the minimal facts argument. None of the 12 points above rely on the gospels. The world's top atheist / agnostic NT scholars allow for several other books of the NT to be genuine. Using these data... the resurrection happened.
These facts can be determined using critical scholars own allowances, which are extremely minimal......hence the term "Minimal Facts Argument."
The books that the critical scholars allow, together with their embedded creed statements, take us back to within a year or two of the Crucifixion.
Does this surprise you?
The questions these minimal facts generate are endless if the resurrection did not happen; making it more likely than not from an evidence standpoint.
The bottom line is: The evidence is overwhelming when compared to what we have for other historical figures and events. This lecture explains.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5znVUFHqO4Q
it’s that awesome time of year again...... food.
drink.
tree.
Merry Christmas Everyone!
How about some photos folks?
after doing some critical research upon the watchtower corporation and its activity as a religious publishing house one can clearly see this is a commercialized false prophet run by sinning apostate men.. so the question remains why are people adhering and supporting this organization thinking they are going to gain salvation come judgment day by jesus ?.
jesus laid out instructions in how to identify false prophets, maybe he should have elaborated and said something about false prophets who would sell his gospel for profit.
this relates to more than the men who ran the wts.
Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ. - Mt. 23:10 (NASB)
Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save. - Ps. 146: 3 (NIV)
.... We were warned!
the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.
these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.
link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.
School clothes Smiddy. One of their dress-up days.
I'm surprised that more people don't post more family pictures. 17 years ago when I joined this forum, I decided to use my real name and photo as my avatar. Best decision I ever made. Although I left for reasons of conscience (generation doctrine), I got shunned anyway. I guess sending my elder-appointed brothers and father a simultaneous letter outlining the crimes of the Watchtower didn't help.
I never experienced the power and blessing of God until I confessed him publicly to my family.... apart from the Watchtower.
While I was 40 yrs. old & single at the time, by the grace of God - they were replaced. I also have strong reason to believe that although I was denied being able to visit with my mom in her last few days, she may have experienced a death-bed conversion and accepted Jesus as her personal Savior.
the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.
these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.
link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.
Merry Christmas Everyone!
This is the list of Minimum Facts that Professor Habermas states that most skeptic scholars will allow. (university level and not basement bloggers)
The criteria for evidence they (the skeptic scholars) demand is far higher than for any other historical figure or event. But even using this unrealistic standard, you can still get to these 12.
This obviously includes the historicity of some of the apostles as well.
i just got so angry coming across this quote from the wt, shortly after raymond franz was disfellowshipped:.
one who has been a true christian might renounce the way of the truth, stating that he no longer considers himself to be one of jehovah’s witnesses or wants to be known as one.
when this rare event occurs, the person is renouncing his standing as a christian.
Yep....that's them: Judge, Jury & Executioner
(in their delusional dreams)
the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.
these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.
link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.
The "evidence for the evidence" is the best :
the national geographic web-site publishes this story:.
these 12 men shaped christianity—but were they real?.
link: : https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/160306-bible-apostle-jesus-christian-religion-ngbooktalk/?cmpid=org=ngp::mc=social::src=facebook::cmp=editorial::add=fb20181222culture-resurfapostlesbooktalk::rid=&sf204668865=1.
At 2:20 in Part 2 of the Lecture he lists 12 virtually undisputed, strongly supported facts concerning this early group that most scholars agree with. He claims that the ones with asterisks next to them are supported by 95% of new testament scholars including unbelieving skeptics. The others are supported simply by most scholars, perhaps 75%.
