we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.
my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.
@ seabreeze - The average human lifespan is approx. 840 months, so when I hear professed Christians say that their righteous God is going punish/torture sinners for all eternity, I'd rather not get to know their "God."
I used to think sending people to an Australian penal colony for stealing a loaf of bread was bad, but eternal torture for 840 months of sinning????? Nah! That ain't justice!
june 2023 study watchtower p. 13, par 15 - “we will not be fooled if we “make sure of or, “test” all things.”...we need to test what we hear or what we read to determine whether it is genuine.....instead of naively accepting what others the org say, we use our thinking ability to compare what we read or what we hear with what the bible and jehovah’s organization say.”.
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2023 Study Watchtower p. 13, par 15 - “We
will not be fooled if we “make sure of or, “test” all
things.”...we need to test what we hear or what we read to
determine whether it is genuine.....Instead of naively accepting
what others the org say, we use our thinking ability to compare what we read
or what we hear with what the Bible and
Jehovah’s organization say.”
we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.
my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.
@ seabreeze - can you cite some of the many scriptures you mentioned? Interested to see how they're worded.
they're fooled into not witnessing for christ, but for "jehovah" - despite 27 scriptures for christ, & zero for god.. they're fooled into rejecting the new covenant, because they are supposedly an antitype for the exodus foreigners.
they're fooled into believing false teachings about the name "jehovah," to subvert the name of christ.. prime example: w94 9/15 p. 10 par.
3 - “making public declaration to jehovah’s name is an undeserved privilege for imperfect humans.”.
They're fooled into not witnessing for Christ, but for "Jehovah" - despite 27 scriptures for Christ, & zero for God.
They're fooled into rejecting the New Covenant, because they are supposedly an antitype for the Exodus foreigners.
They're fooled into believing false teachings about the name "Jehovah," to subvert the name of Christ.
PRIME EXAMPLE: w94 9/15 p. 10 par. 3 - “Making public declaration to Jehovah’s name is an undeserved privilege for imperfect humans.”
This false teaching is based upon their false interpretation of this scripture:
(Hebrews 13:15) "Through him [Jesus] let us always offer to God a sacrifice of praise, that is, the fruit of our lips that make public declaration to his name."
What topic & name was to be "publicly declared?"
(Romans 10:9) "For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved."
The antichrists in Warwick should consider revealing "new lights" - they're worse than so-called apostates.
not a hint of a new date for the great tribulation.
the attitude of jw is that they expect it immediately although the inter-lapping anointed allows for any additional extended time.
given the time of the end, the end comes after the good news is preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations with the internet and 108 years and tons of publications even in finnish.
@ disillusioned JW - I think it would be reasonable to conclude that Jesus was referring to the preaching being done initially to the ones he was sent to - the dispersed lost sheep of Israel, i.e. Jews and the "world" of Judaism.
After that work was completed, then his prophecies about pointed stakes, great tribulation, and destruction of the temple would then be fulfilled.
Paul wrote Colossians 1:23 approximately 6 years before Jerusalem and the whole of Judea began to endure 3 1/2 years of great tribulation, followed by Jerusalem's destruction.
not a hint of a new date for the great tribulation.
the attitude of jw is that they expect it immediately although the inter-lapping anointed allows for any additional extended time.
given the time of the end, the end comes after the good news is preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations with the internet and 108 years and tons of publications even in finnish.
@ Fisherman - isn't the org's tenuous teaching that Matthew 24 has a "greater fulfillment" the problem?
Wasn't Matthew 24:14 fulfilled before 70 C.E. as Jesus described?
(Matthew 24:14) "And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end [of the Jewish system] will come."
(Colossians 1:23) "...not being shifted away from the hope of that good news that you heard and that was preached in all creation under heaven...."
(1 Timothy 3:16) "He was made manifest in flesh...was preached about among nations, was believed upon in the world, was received up in glory."
i never got to know my father very well, because for most of my childhood he was behind bars: the red lion, the dog & duck, the kings arms, the royal oak.
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I never got to know my father very well, because for most of my childhood he was behind bars: The Red Lion, The Dog & Duck, The Kings Arms, The Royal Oak.
whether you like or loathe the guy, agree or disagree, surely he has a right to express his opinions freely on twitter?.
every bbc employee who appears on tv or speaks on the radio, should now be paranoid about any opinions they've put on their social media accounts, because if the bbc are prepared to censor/silence lineker, they'll go for anyone.. oops: looks like the bbc can dictate what their staff can & can't say in their social media accounts.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidance/individual-use-of-social-media.
pity they weren't as strict with their high profile paedophile, mr. savile..
I'm on both sides in this debate:
Gary Lineker broke the T's & C's laid down by the BBC - absolutely, so he deserved discipline/sacking.
However, the BBC T's & C's regarding all employees' personal social media accounts reminds me of the org's desire to control & monitor every aspect of a JW's life, personality, & thinking.
I suggested to someone last night that such overarching control of people's opinions & speech may be subject to legal challenges.
Imagine your own boss telling you that he'll sack you if you ever say anything which praises the Tory Party on your Facebook page!!! Human rights, freedom of thought & speech?
BBC Director-General Tim Davie has now made a statement about balancing the BBC's commitments to both impartiality and freedom of expression, and announced an independent review of the social media guidance.
We'll see how this develops.
whether you like or loathe the guy, agree or disagree, surely he has a right to express his opinions freely on twitter?.
every bbc employee who appears on tv or speaks on the radio, should now be paranoid about any opinions they've put on their social media accounts, because if the bbc are prepared to censor/silence lineker, they'll go for anyone.. oops: looks like the bbc can dictate what their staff can & can't say in their social media accounts.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidance/individual-use-of-social-media.
pity they weren't as strict with their high profile paedophile, mr. savile..
Cofty, I don't follow anyone's social media ramblings, so as a licence fee payer, what any BBC employee says in the "privacy" of such forums, is irrelevant to me. On the other hand, if Mr. Lineker was spouting off on BBC TV/radio, I'd have something to say about that.
Having said all that, the BBC's censorship rules appear to be pretty clear, so Gazza should've known.
Maybe a court challenge will change things.
whether you like or loathe the guy, agree or disagree, surely he has a right to express his opinions freely on twitter?.
every bbc employee who appears on tv or speaks on the radio, should now be paranoid about any opinions they've put on their social media accounts, because if the bbc are prepared to censor/silence lineker, they'll go for anyone.. oops: looks like the bbc can dictate what their staff can & can't say in their social media accounts.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidance/individual-use-of-social-media.
pity they weren't as strict with their high profile paedophile, mr. savile..
Whether you like or loathe the guy, agree or disagree, surely he has a right to express his opinions freely on Twitter?
Every BBC employee who appears on TV or speaks on the radio, should now be paranoid about any opinions they've put on their social media accounts, because if the BBC are prepared to censor/silence Lineker, they'll go for anyone.
OOPS: Looks like the BBC can dictate what their staff can & can't say in their social media accounts.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/editorialguidelines/guidance/individual-use-of-social-media
Pity they weren't as strict with their high profile paedophile, Mr. Savile.
