in an earlier thread another poster asserted that there is no evidence that revelation 3:14 played a part in the 4th controversy that led to the trinity doctrine.
this was claimed as evidence that the description of jesus as “the beginning of the creation of god” in the verse was not understood to mean that jesus was god’s first creation.
the scholarly greek–english lexicon of the new testament & other early christian literature 3e (2001) by bauer, arndt, gingrich, and danker, in its latest edition states that “first creation” is indeed the probable meaning of the greek phrase.
@ Riley - "Why doesn't the Bible start with god created Jesus and Jesus created everything, instead of "let us create man in our image."
If the trinity is such a fundamental doctrine, why doesn't the Bible mention the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit together in just one legitimitate verse - and which even remotely hints at a union where all 3 are "equal in power & authority." (1 Cor.15:28)
watchtower plays lots of games with definitions.
once they change a definition then they have a false assumption to build their deception on.
then they repeat the new definition and use its new meaning thousands of times to reinforce it.
Who Are Jesus' "Brothers"?
(Matthew 12:50; Mark 3:35; Luke 8:21; John 1:12,13; Rom. 8:14; 1 John 5:1 (RSV)
How were all of Jesus' disciples to address God? (Matt. 6:9)
Jesus promised that he would have one flock of sheep, not two different "classes". (John 10:16)
The
Scrptures above clearly identify to whom they apply - all Christians
in the one flock.
(Matthew
12:50)
For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is
my brother and sister and mother.”
(Mark 3:35) Whoever does the will of God, this one is my brother and sister and mother.”
(Luke 8:21) In reply he said to them: “My mother and my brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
(John 1:12, 13) However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name. (becoming Christians!) And they were born, not from blood or from a fleshly will or from man’s will, but from God.
(Romans 8:14) For all who are led by God’s spirit are indeed God’s sons.
(1 John 5:1) Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born from God, (a son) and everyone who loves the one who caused to be born loves him who has been born from that one.
Seems pretty clear from a Christian's perspective - despite what the self-appointed "slave" says.
what warnings are the cult giving the "sheeple?".
in the study article on page 20 - "are you heeding the warnings?
", jw's are threatened what their fate will be if they don't support the elite, "anointed" jw's, the 33 degree aka, the self-appointed gibbering body - they will be toast very soon:.
What warnings are the cult giving the "sheeple?"
In the study article on page 20 - "Are You Heeding the Warnings?", JW's are threatened what their fate will be if they don't support the elite, "anointed" JW's, the 33 degree aka, the self-appointed Gibbering Body - they will be toast very soon:
"Bible prophecy shows that as Jehovah’s appointed Judge, Jesus will be
righteous in his judgment. He observes the conduct,
attitude, and speech of people - including how they treat his anointed brothers the cult. Jesus will
know who gave support to his anointed brothers and their work. (JW's italics) One of
the primary ways that sheeplike ones
support Christ’s brothers is by assisting
them in the preaching work. Those who
provide this support will be judged as
“righteous” and will have the prospect
of “everlasting life” on earth. (Matthew 25:46)"
Those who don't "support" the cult? The org cites Matthew 25:46 to terrorise such ones! 😬
the governing body and watchtower publications make clear there is only one official website that jws should go to about their religion.
they do not approve of independent pro-jw forums.
this would also fall in line of there being no independent study groups, on the internet, or elsewhere.. for that matter, they do not approve of jws posting on behalf of their religion on social media, “apostate” websites, or anywhere else on the internet.
A mass disfellowshipping is called for, to eliminate such a nest of apostate vipers!
km 9/07 p. 3 Question Box - "Does “the faithful and discreet slave” endorse independent groups of Witnesses who meet together (in person or in forums??) to engage in Scriptural research or debate? No, it does not. And yet, in various parts of the world, a few associates of our organization have formed groups to do independent research on Bible-related subjects. Some have pursued an independent group study of Biblical Hebrew and Greek so as to analyze the accuracy of the New World Translation....They have created Web sites and chat rooms (heaven forbid) for the purpose of exchanging and debating their views. They have also held conferences and produced publications to present their findings and to supplement what is provided at our Christian meetings and through our litter-ature."
w83 1/15 p. 13 are you an imitator of christ or an imitation christian?
"...but now even greater danger was threatening from within!
evidently some in the congregation ("governing body"?
w83 1/15 p. 13 Are You an Imitator of Christ or an Imitation Christian? -
"...but now even greater danger was threatening from within! Evidently some in the congregation ("governing body"?) were spreading twisted views about Jehovah’s day as being imminent." 😄
"hamburg police shoot man with axe ahead of euros match.
" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news.
why don't german police just use guns?.
@ Phizzy - my favourite is when they add the letter ' r ' into "drawing" - pronouncing it as "drawring." 😁
Mind you, February being pronounced as Feb-you-ary (eliminating the ' r ') is just as bad!
"hamburg police shoot man with axe ahead of euros match.
" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news.
why don't german police just use guns?.
"Hamburg police shoot man with axe ahead of Euros match." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news
Why don't German police just use guns?
Better: Man with axe shot by German police. 😄
the trinity doctrine says god is three persons in one being.. yet the bible says god is one.. gal 3.20 a mediator, however, implies more than one party; but god is one.
niv.
gal 3.20 now a mediator is not for just one person, but god is one.
@ andr - You said, "The Trinity there is as Father Son and Holy Spirit are mentioned in several biblical verses."
Can you cite any of these several scriptures?
From what I've researched/studied, Biblical & external evidence shows that Matthew 28:19 was almost certainly "altered" pre/post-Nicene creed. (1 John 5:7 needs no comment)
I've found only one Bible verse which actually mentions Jesus Christ, God, & the Holy Spirit in the same breath, while not even hinting at a co-equal, co-eternal "trinity."
john 14:6 - "jesus said to him, “i am the way, the truth, and the life.
no one comes to the father except through me.".
certain christian denominations lie & contradict jesus' crystal clear statement, by promoting the following dogma:.
@ Thomas More - Nah, just send it to aqwsed12345
It'll take his mind off the New Advent web site!
Have a good weekend. 😃
john 14:6 - "jesus said to him, “i am the way, the truth, and the life.
no one comes to the father except through me.".
certain christian denominations lie & contradict jesus' crystal clear statement, by promoting the following dogma:.
@
ThomasMore - Your
comment about the WTBTS/JW's perverted teaching about the "one
mediator" is very well
known here and not up for debate.
The O.P. highlights the Roman Catholic Church's false teaching, opposition & denial of what Jesus forcefully & openly stated about himself:
1) That he was the way, the mediator or intercessor for humans - no one else! (no saints or Mary)
2) That humans could not approach God Almighty except through his name. (no saints or Mary)
3) Only his name was to be used John 14:14, 26; 15:16; 16:23, 26. (no saints or Mary)
When anyone uses their denomination's dogmas, biases, and traditions to argue against what Scriptures say, leave them to it.
Most of us have experienced that with JW PIMI's.
