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  Question #2 for JW's

  by BoogerMan in

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  how could the "two witnesses" mentioned in revelation chapter 11 possibly be j.f.

  rutherford and his companions who got jailed and then released in 1919?.

  w14 11/15 p. 30 - so in the fulfillment of revelation chapter 11, the anointed brothers who took the lead at the time of the establishment of god’s kingdom in heaven in 1914 preached “in sackcloth” for three and a half years.. watchtower november 15, 2014, p. 30 - revelation 11:7 says that it is "the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss" which kills the 'two witnesses'.. since the wild beast of rev.

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  @ Scholar:

  This article is too long to submit here, but the highlighted portions are the org's own evidence that its failed prophecy of armageddon & the "rapture" for 1914 (as well as Rutherford's coup) was what caused its biggest problems - not a few guys getting jailed! Many Bible Students (BS) woke up to the B.S.)
  

  w55 3/15 p. 175 Part 6—1914 Date Verified - Toward the end of 1916 Russell began to fail rapidly;he died aboard a train near Pampa, Texas, October 31. Following Brother Russell’s death, (1916) years of crisis set in, producing within the organization the pressures of opposition, judgment and cleansing. (due largely to the predicted armageddon not occurring as predicted!) After such a gigantic build-up of warning witness which had occurred with respect to that prophetic date of 1914, (armageddon) many of the associates became weary of well-doing. Rebelliousness among congregation elders came to the surface, and unhealthy spiritual conditions in general set in,

  
  

  p.s. Ever heard heard of David Livingstone and his ilk who preached the good news to Africans, Chinese, & other parts of the world in the 19th century – well before JW's ever did?

  
  

  
  
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  Question #2 for JW's

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how could the "two witnesses" mentioned in revelation chapter 11 possibly be j.f.

  rutherford and his companions who got jailed and then released in 1919?.

  w14 11/15 p. 30 - so in the fulfillment of revelation chapter 11, the anointed brothers who took the lead at the time of the establishment of god’s kingdom in heaven in 1914 preached “in sackcloth” for three and a half years.. watchtower november 15, 2014, p. 30 - revelation 11:7 says that it is "the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss" which kills the 'two witnesses'.. since the wild beast of rev.

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  How could the "two witnesses" mentioned in Revelation chapter 11 possibly be J.F. Rutherford and his companions who got jailed and then released in 1919?

  w14 11/15 p. 30 - So in the fulfillment of Revelation chapter 11, the anointed brothers who took the lead at the time of the establishment of God’s Kingdom in heaven in 1914 preached “in sackcloth” for three and a half years.

  Watchtower November 15, 2014, p. 30 - Revelation 11:7 says that it is "the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss" which kills the 'two witnesses'.

  Since the wild beast of Rev. 11:7 is claimed to be the United Nations, how could a non-existent organisation (which didn't originate until 1945) fulfill a prophecy 26 years earlier? Even the League of Nations did not come into existence until 1920.
  
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  Question #1 for JW's to offer an explanation

  by BoogerMan in

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  the r&f jw's are defined by the wtbts as antitypical "foreigners," and as such, are not participants of the new covenant:.

  wt 98 2/1 p.19, par.

  6 - "further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the law covenant.

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  The R&F JW's are defined by the WTBTS as antitypical "foreigners," and as such, are not participants of the New Covenant:

  wt 98 2/1 p.19, par. 6 - "Further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the Law covenant. In what way? Not by becoming participants in it, but by submitting to the laws associated with it and benefiting from its arrangements."
  

  Deuteronomy 29:10-15 dismisses this false teaching & shows that foreigners were participants:

  10 “All of you are stationed today before Jehovah your God, the heads of your tribes, your elders, your officers, every man of Israel,

  11 your children, your wives, and your foreign resident who is in the midst of your camp, from the one gathering your wood to the one drawing your water.

  12 You are here in order to enter into the covenant of Jehovah your God and his oath, which Jehovah your God is making with you today

  13 in order that he may establish you [all] today as his people and that he may be your God, just as he has promised you and just as he swore to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

  14 "Now it is not with you alone that I am making this covenant and this oath,

  15 but it is with those standing here with us today before Jehovah our God and with those who are not here with us today."

  Rahab and Ruth (as foreigners) were accepted as full members of the nation of Israel. If they hadn't been, the Messianic lineage would have been corrupted by non-Israelites.

  As such, the type/anti-type application which downgrades “non-anointed” J.W.'s as being "foreigners" is a deliberate lie, to create an elite group within the org. (w85 3/1 p. 15 par. 15)

  
  
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  What Ended in 1914?

  by BoogerMan in

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  1913!.

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  @ SCHOLAR: Can you give your explanation of this apparent untruth by the org:

  wt 98 2/1 p.19, par. 6 - "Further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the Law covenant. In what way? Not by becoming participants in it but by submitting to the laws associated with it and benefiting from its arrangements."

  Deuteronomy 29:10-15 appears to show that foreigners were participants:

  10 “All of you are stationed today before Jehovah your God, the heads of your tribes, your elders, your officers, every man of Israel,

  11 your children, your wives, and your foreign resident who is in the midst of your camp, from the one gathering your wood to the one drawing your water.

  12 You are here in order to enter into the covenant of Jehovah your God and his oath, which Jehovah your God is making with you today

  13 in order that he may establish you [all] today as his people and that he may be your God, just as he has promised you and just as he swore to your forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

  14 "Now it is not with you alone that I am making this covenant and this oath,

  15 but it is with those standing here with us today before Jehovah our God and with those who are not here with us today."

  Rahab and Ruth (as foreigners) were accepted as full members of the nation of Israel.

  If they hadn't been, the Messianic lineage would have been corrupted by non-Israelites.

  As such, why is there a type/anti-type application which downgrades “non-anointed” J.W.'s as being "foreigners?" (w85 3/1 p. 15 par. 15)
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  The Genesis 3:15 woman.

  by Fisherman in

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  genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

  although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

  we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

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  @ Fisherman - Can you provide scriptures to show that (some/all) Christians are going to heaven?
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  What Ended in 1914?

  by BoogerMan in

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  1913!.

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  1913!
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  UFO's or Unidentified Aerial Fenomena....

  by mikeflood in

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  what do you guys think....the topic seems to being on fashion lately.

  some in the borg told me one time "of course, they are for real, they could be angels, demons".. .

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  During the night, on an overnight ferry crossing from Newcastle to Amsterdam 4 years ago, I woke up on my bunk bed and stared out into the blackness of the North sea. I saw a bright light which I assumed at first was a lighthouse - I'd guess about 3-5 miles away. However, the light remained solid and constantly maintained its distance from the ship, as if tracking it.

  As I kept watching this phenomena, another light suddenly appeared from nowhere - several miles to the south of the first light. It remained stationary for about a minute before it flew across the sky straight up to the first light. It took a split second to reach it. I know of no aircraft on earth which could cover such a distance at that speed. It was instantaneous.

  The two lights stayed together for several minutes, still maintaining a set distance from the ship, before ceasing and then fading into the distance.

  In my book, I've seen 2 UFO's - unidentified flying objects. Haven't a clue what I saw.
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  The Genesis 3:15 woman.

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
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  genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

  although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

  we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

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  Looks like Paul is creating a small contradiction with his 'seed' references.
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  The Genesis 3:15 woman.

  by Fisherman in

  1. watchtower
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  genesis 3:15 says that the woman’s seed would be in enmity with the serpent’s seed.

  although the bible reveals that the woman’s seed is jesus and christians that go to heaven with christ, it does not identify the woman directly.

  we at jw believe that the woman is symbolic.

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  (Galatians 3:16) “...the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. It says, not: “And to seeds,” as in the case of many such, [i.e. 144,000] but as in the case of one: “And to your seed,” who is Christ.”

  If the 'woman' represented God's heavenly/spiritual organization, it must be pretty feeble to have to flee from Satan. (Revelation 12)

  Could the 'woman' picture the entity of Christianity?
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  The attorneys gave us bad advice.

  by Lost in the fog in

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  the attorneys gave them bad advice, and when contacted the wt says we don't comment on specific cases.

  what a cop out!.

  https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20220521/jehovahs-witness-elders-who-failed-to-report-child-abuse-got-bad-advice-say-local-pastors-attorneys.

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  The mother should have been charged as well - and hammered by the judge!

  https://www.shawlocal.com/northwest-herald/news/2022/03/26/jehovahs-witnesses-elders-sentenced-to-supervision-community-service-for-not-reporting-childs-sexual-abuse/