Posts by BoogerMan

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sinning against the Holy Spirit question

by enoughisenough in

let's assume that the bible is god's word and the men who wrote it were borne along ( inspired ) by holy spirit.

if one sets out to deliberately malign the bible, would that be considered a sin against the holy spirit?.

BoogerMan

I once asked a dyed-in-the-wool JW couple, "If I went out into my street with a hammer and killed two men with it, would I be charged and found guilty of murder by a courtroom judge & jury?"

Them: Yes."

Me: "But what if the two men were terrorists with swords, trying to decapitate my neighbour?"

Them: Ah, yes........it would depend on........

Me: Yes - it would depend on my motives! In other words, when any person claiming to be a Christian is eventually judged, their judgment will be based not on what they did, said, or thought, but purely on their motives.

I concluded with, "Thank goodness my judgment won't be done by men!"

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What would you change?

by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

i’m agnostic so maybe the universe started by chance or by design.. if it was by design (hypothetically) and the bible is the designers word, and jws seem to be the closest to it, then what would be the largest things you would change?.

here are a few ideas.

-do away with the governing body thinking they are gods only channel.

BoogerMan

@ exBethelite noe PIMA - You asked, "Which other organisations have love amongst themselves as Jesus said would be his true disciples?"

I would rephrase your question thus: "Which other organisation uses diktats, coercion & punishments to force its members to maintain a facade of unity of thought and love?"

p.s. Without question!!!!

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Revelation stuff per request for PetrW

by EasyPrompt in

per request from petrw🙂, some revelation stuff.... .

the four horsemen didn't start in 1914 or earlier- the timing is once jesus is enthroned in heaven.. .

the winds of destruction are on the religious institutions.. .

BoogerMan

"When Jesus is enthroned, he'll clean things up and get rid of the divisions".....

.....as shown by, Revelation 2:22 - Look! I am about to throw her into a sickbed, and those committing adultery with her into great tribulation.......

.....followed by, Revelation 7:14 - "And he said to me: “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation..." (the one he mentioned about 8 minutes previously)

JW's will be sorely disappointed when their G.T. expectations don't materialise.

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Will the G.B. ever give a "new light" on Romans 6:7?

by BoogerMan in

jehovah' witnesses are taught to believe that romans 6:7 refers to a person's own literal death:.

watchtower may 15th 1982, pp.

8,9 - "the bible explains that at death a person is set free or released from any sins he committed.

BoogerMan

@ Sea Breeze - JW's annually reject the offer of the New Covenant, because they are told by the G.B. that they are a "type/antitype" for the foreigners in Exodus who were not participants of the Law Covenant.

wt 98 2/1 p.19, par. 6 - "Further, other sheep lay hold of the new covenant just as foreigners of old laid hold of the Law covenant. In what way? Not by becoming participants in it but by submitting to the laws associated with it and benefiting from its arrangements."

If only JW's would open their silver-sword and read Deuteronomy 29:10-15. (But the truth would hurt 😥)

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Will the G.B. ever give a "new light" on Romans 6:7?

by BoogerMan in

jehovah' witnesses are taught to believe that romans 6:7 refers to a person's own literal death:.

watchtower may 15th 1982, pp.

8,9 - "the bible explains that at death a person is set free or released from any sins he committed.

BoogerMan

@ Sea Breeze - Thanks so much for that little gem which I missed - w85 12/1, p.11.

What an excellent article for JW's to read and consider! For example, p. 9 par. 6:

"By his undeserved kindness, Jehovah accepted Jesus’ sacrifice in behalf of Adam’s descendants. It was an equivalent, or corresponding, sacrifice seeing that, as a perfect man, Jesus bought back what the perfect man Adam lost."

If Jesus' sacrifice was equivalent/corresponding to what Adam lost for his descendants, namely everlasting life on earth, then how do 144,000 of Adam's descendants miraculously get a free pass into heaven - as kings? 🤔

It doesn't correspond, does it?

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Will the G.B. ever give a "new light" on Romans 6:7?

by BoogerMan in

jehovah' witnesses are taught to believe that romans 6:7 refers to a person's own literal death:.

watchtower may 15th 1982, pp.

8,9 - "the bible explains that at death a person is set free or released from any sins he committed.

BoogerMan

You cared enough - to comment.

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Will the G.B. ever give a "new light" on Romans 6:7?

by BoogerMan in

jehovah' witnesses are taught to believe that romans 6:7 refers to a person's own literal death:.

watchtower may 15th 1982, pp.

8,9 - "the bible explains that at death a person is set free or released from any sins he committed.

BoogerMan

Jehovah' Witnesses are taught to believe that Romans 6:7 refers to a person's own literal death:

Watchtower May 15th 1982, pp. 8,9 - "The Bible explains that at death a person is set free or released from any sins he committed."

Hmmm, it's interesting that only one of the org's quotes below includes a reference to Paul's words. Wonder why?

w06 4/1 p. 30 par. 16 - Complete immersion appropriately symbolizes the dramatic change we have made in our life- we figuratively die to our former life course and begin life anew in the service of God.

w92 3/15 p. 17 par. 19 - When a baptismal candidate is buried under the water and then lifted out of it, he dies figuratively to his former course of life and is raised to a new way of life,

w88 8/15 p. 27 - While under the water, he, in effect, dies to his former course of life, and on coming out of the water, he becomes, as it were, alive to a new course of self-sacrifice in Jehovah’s service. (Compare Romans 6:2-4; 12:1; Philippians 3:16.)

w88 6/15 p. 29 - While under the water, it is as if they have died to their former course of life. On coming out of the water, it is as if they are now alive to a new course of self-sacrifice in service to God.

w88 3/15 p. 14 par. 18 - Going under the water well illustrates a person’s dying to his former course of conduct. His being lifted up out of the water pictures his being raised to a new way of life.

w88 1/15 p. 28 - Water baptism denotes dying to our former course of conduct and being raised to a way of life that harmonizes with the divine will.

w78 11/1 p. 16 par. 19 - By going down into the water, being covered by it, we are, as it were, buried. We die as to our former course of action;

w74 10/1 p. 607 - In order to be anointed with holy spirit and accepted as spiritual sons of God, they had to die to their former course in life as imperfect humans, have their sins forgiven by God and have human perfection imputed to them.

w67 12/1 pp. 710-711 - That symbolic act speaks eloquently of your becoming dead to your own selfish former course of action (when dipped below the water), and henceforth to live in harmony with God’s will (coming up out of the water).

w60 5/1 p. 264 - Thus, they keep the important symbol of baptism—that of one’s voluntarily dying to his former course of life and being raised up to a new life in God’s service.

w58 8/1 p. 472 par 2 - The manner in which Jesus was completely submerged or hidden in Jordan’s water well illustrated how Jesus became buried as dead to his former course of earthly life.

w56 3/15 p. 177 par. 4 - Do they forget that when they made their dedication to God and symbolized it by water baptism they died to their former course of life?

w56 7/1 p. 404 par. 8 - Being lowered by John into the water backward and completely submerged in the water well illustrated how Jesus had become dead and buried to his former course in earthly life.

kl chap. 18 p. 176 par. 11 - As you are submerged, or “buried,” beneath the water, it is as though you have died to your former course of life.

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Can the org's finances be viewed?

by BoogerMan in

does anyone know where to view the wtbts of new york and pennsylvania's financial records?.

i mean, they are registered charities aren't they, so surely their income/expenditures must be open to scrutiny?.

BoogerMan

Does anyone know where to view the WTBTS of New York and Pennsylvania's financial records?

I mean, they are registered charities aren't they, so surely their income/expenditures must be open to scrutiny?

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2023-August-S-147-Announcements And Reminders!

by Atlantis in

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page 3. https://imgbox.com/chjmr4km .

BoogerMan

If (and I know it's a BIG 'if') the Borg charged every congregation worldwide $10.75 for every active publisher, they'd accumulate over $1 billion every year - from this TAX alone!

Add in all the other monies they grab/receive, and it suddenly becomes a whole new ball-game.

Mr. Lett (it be) said not too long ago that "they'd done the math" and that there was more money going out than was coming in. Where is it all going to, Mr. Lett - to the org's Wall Street creditors?

Org's dogma about Romans 6:7 debunked - by WT CD ROM! 😁

by BoogerMan in

out of one side of their 'mouth,' they claim that romans 6:7 refers to a person's own physical death.. out of the other side of their 'mouth,' (in these quotes) - they actually tell the truth - but cite romans 6 just once:: .

w06 4/1 p. 30 par.

16 - complete immersion appropriately symbolizes the dramatic change we have made in our life—we figuratively die to our former life course and begin life anew in the service of god.. w92 3/15 p. 17 par.

BoogerMan

Out of one side of their 'mouth,' they claim that Romans 6:7 refers to a person's own physical death.

Out of the other side of their 'mouth,' (in these quotes) - they actually tell the truth - but cite Romans 6 just once::

w06 4/1 p. 30 par. 16 - Complete immersion appropriately symbolizes the dramatic change we have made in our life—we figuratively die to our former life course and begin life anew in the service of God.

w92 3/15 p. 17 par. 19 - When a baptismal candidate is buried under the water and then lifted out of it, he dies figuratively to his former course of life and is raised to a new way of life,

w88 8/15 p. 27 - While under the water, he, in effect, dies to his former course of life, and on coming out of the water, he becomes, as it were, alive to a new course of self-sacrifice in Jehovah’s service. (Compare Romans 6:2-4; 12:1; Philippians 3:16.)

w88 6/15 p. 29 - While under the water, it is as if they have died to their former course of life. On coming out of the water, it is as if they are now alive to a new course of self-sacrifice in service to God.

w88 3/15 p. 14 par. 18 - Going under the water well illustrates a person’s dying to his former course of conduct. His being lifted up out of the water pictures his being raised to a new way of life.

w88 1/15 p. 28 - Water baptism denotes dying to our former course of conduct and being raised to a way of life that harmonizes with the divine will.

w78 11/1 p. 16 par. 19 - By going down into the water, being covered by it, we are, as it were, buried. We die as to our former course of action; it marks the death of our selfish course, our choosing to do as WE please. Being raised up out of the water well pictures our being made alive to the doing of God’s will,

w74 10/1 p. 607 - While still alive, they had been baptized into Christ Jesus and received the valid prospect of heavenly life. In order to be anointed with holy spirit and accepted as spiritual sons of God, they had to die to their former course in life as imperfect humans, have their sins forgiven by God and have human perfection imputed to them.

w67 12/1 pp. 710-711 - That symbolic act speaks eloquently of your becoming dead to your own selfish former course of action (when dipped below the water), and henceforth to live in harmony with God’s will (coming up out of the water).

w60 5/1 p. 264 - Thus, they keep the important symbol of baptism—that of one’s voluntarily dying to his former course of life and being raised up to a new life in God’s service.

w58 8/1 p. 472 par 2 - The manner in which Jesus was completely submerged or hidden in Jordan’s water well illustrated how Jesus became buried as dead to his former course of earthly life. His then being raised up out of the water shows how he was being made alive for the doing of Jehovah’s will from that time forward.

w56 3/15 p. 177 par. 4 - Do they forget that when they made their dedication to God and symbolized it by water baptism they died to their former course of life?

w56 7/1 p. 404 par. 8 - Being lowered by John into the water backward and completely submerged in the water well illustrated how Jesus had become dead and buried to his former course in earthly life.... So being raised up showed he was being made alive

kl chap. 18 p. 176 par. 11 - Baptism......is as though you have died to your former course of life. When you come up out of the water, it is as if you are emerging to a new life.