Hey E-man,
So sorry that I contributed to your thread. I seem to be the "death-nail" (pun) to any thread. I guess, well, I've got a bad reputation on this board. Oh well, my real life awaits!
Love, Pete
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14Grazie Di Tutto, Italia.
by Englishman inwell, after a wonderful week in italy, its back to reality.
i will soon post some pics of the wonderful things that christina and i saw during our stay.
weve toured sorrento, walked the streets of pompeii, taken the chair-lift to the top of the isle of capri, scoured the unbelievable beauty of the amalfi coast, and , yes, stood on the edge of the volcanic crater of mount vesuvius that threatens the lives of 3 million people in naples.
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Grazie Di Tutto, Italia.
by Englishman inwell, after a wonderful week in italy, its back to reality.
i will soon post some pics of the wonderful things that christina and i saw during our stay.
weve toured sorrento, walked the streets of pompeii, taken the chair-lift to the top of the isle of capri, scoured the unbelievable beauty of the amalfi coast, and , yes, stood on the edge of the volcanic crater of mount vesuvius that threatens the lives of 3 million people in naples.
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Hey Englishman,
I have to agree -- family seems to be paramount to Italians. Although, I think it can be dysfunctional at times -- you know, what is spoken and what is left unspoken. Control, loyalty, guilt. I was told that children are expected to live with their parents until they marry -- so, for many gay Italians they remain with their parents without ever telling their parents "I'm gay." And it seems that the parents like having their children (especially sons) living with them throughout the parents lives. (For example, filmmaker-writer Pier Paolo Passolini who lived with his mother and unmarried sister until he was murdered at 53.)
Yes, Sorrento is a beautiful place, the Isle of Capri. I remember going to Sorrento in the off season and there was absolutely nobody there. Then, one time while staying in Naples I took a crowded train down on a friday night and it seemed to be the recreational thing for many poor Italians to do -- ride the train to Sorrento and stroll, window shop and eat gelatto while cruising the main street.
The thing about Pompeii is that it was destroyed in 79 A.D. -- nine years after the destruction of Jerusalem. Walking the ancient streets, seeing the buildings, the coliseum -- I really felt connected to that time period. BTW, most of the frescos, sculpture, mosaics, etc., are in the Naples Museum. So, if you see Pompeii you really need to see the museum.
The Catholic Church seemed to me to still be a powerful force in Italy -- especially among older Italians. I can recall when, as a JW, I would have been horrified walking into a "pagan" Catholic Church. But seeing the Vatican is a definite must if you go to Rome. Incredible sculpture and art everywhere. (Sure, if you take the little side trip through some of the Vatican museums -- you gotta wonder, just how many pieces of the "original cross," now embellished with jewels and gold, can there be?) The Sistine Chapel? arrive early.
I love Rome and found it to be a very international city -- many Africans and Asians there. And of course, there is Florence with it's Uffizi Gallery, Michelangelo's "David" and fantastic architecture. Venice, fantastic, you should visit Peggy Guggenheim's gallery.
And, as HS said, they love their food! It's an art.
Yes, Italians love their country and their history -- but I never found them to be as condescending and rude as the French in Paris.
My son and I will be visiting Italy and Greece again during his winter break -- any suggestions about places to see?
Gotta run,
Love, PeteNel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita
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Does our new poste, invisible, = Celtic?
by larc inon kent's board there is a post by celtic.
on this board there is the same subject by invisible.
invisible the newbie with only 2 posts is either, celtic in disguise or a plagerist.
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Pete2
Uh-oh! Kent's back and whining as usual. Kent, look in the mirror and acknowledge what you see! That's you Kent -- a major hypocrite! Your behavior has totally destroyed any credibility your Watchtower Observer site might have had.
Your write on a previous thread:So far no posts [on Kent's board] have been “moderated”, [Yeah, sure -- with four moderators?] and so far I’ve kicked out 1 person[I know of at least two people who have been ousted] to set an example of what kind of behavior I don’t accept. [You mean the kind of behavior you exhibit daily?]So what? Anyone who don’t like it can just keep on not liking it. Why should I care? I’m an hypocrite[YES!]for booting a person who said all the way he enlisted just to stir up trouble?[And when it comes to strirring up trouble, you da' Ken'] So what?
I'm so glad, Kent, that Simon gives you the freedom of expression that you and your ilk deny others.
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New Light on the Sodomites?
by new boy inthe men of sodom will be resurrected.[7/1879,p8].
the men of sodom will not be resurrected.
the men of sodom will be resurrected.
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Hey, I'm on a roll here. Re: the band thing.
Title of first album: "Take My Daughters, Please!"
Second album: "Gee! Who Were Those Chicks in the Cave Last Night?"
Love,
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New Light on the Sodomites?
by new boy inthe men of sodom will be resurrected.[7/1879,p8].
the men of sodom will not be resurrected.
the men of sodom will be resurrected.
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All this back and forth, back and forth, back and forth -- how queer! Send in the clowns.
Re: the band name, how about "Dicky Butts and the Sod-O-Mites."
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JW Dogma May Promote Murder/Suicides
by Nathan Natas inin light of the recent murder/suicide involving the bryant family of mcminnville, oregon, and the murder (no suicide) by christian longo of his family in newport, oregon, i'm opening this thread in the hope of shedding some light on the way that jw dogma may encourage such behavior.. here is a link to an article in the oregonian discussing the bryant tragedy: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/front_page/10163697352835756.xml.
here's a small portion of the aricle:.
a man who feels hopeless and isolated, as robert bryant might have if family and church ties were severed, is at risk for suicide, said dr. james hancey, an assistant professor of psychiatry at oregon health and science university.
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Nathan,
I think your appraisal is right on. Some years ago, I remember a severely depressed JW father who expressed the same tragically twisted logic to me. I would hope you would e-mail your post above to editor Amy Wang at the Oregonian (her direct phone line is 503 294-5974).
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Why the stick people became extinct
by patio34 in.
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uadna (unseen apostate directorate of north america).
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Hmmmmm...
Is that where the term "woody" comes from?
Out on a limb,
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Double standard already in place.
by Pete2 incan you say hypocrisy!.
ok, so i went over to the kents new watchtower o "support" board.
i checked out kents and norms contradictory messages: "freedom of speech!
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Doug Chickletts, or Sparklets, or whatever:
Oooooooh, I think somebody doesn't like me .... *sigh*
So, you "think" Kent's board is a NO F*CKWITS zone? Is that why you keep posting here?
No, no no! my little friend. Listen really, really closely: The shit has moved to Kent's board. Yeah, your hypocrital friend, who doesn't allow freedom of speech, or free exchange of expression. That racist guy who wouldn't give ME the courtesy that Simon gives you.
My little dipper-dude, you need to get your stories straight -- you can't be that stupid! Kent is a major F*UCKWIT ... you know it! You know he's a hypocrite! (I wanna give you some credit for having a rational mind.)
Oh, by the way, where can I send my next contribution to keep you off the street, little buddy?
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Double standard already in place.
by Pete2 incan you say hypocrisy!.
ok, so i went over to the kents new watchtower o "support" board.
i checked out kents and norms contradictory messages: "freedom of speech!
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Can you say HYPOCRISY!
OK, so I went over to the Kent’s new Watchtower O "support" board. I checked out Kent’s and Norm’s contradictory messages: "Freedom of speech! No Censorship! -- For us! (but not for anyone who might confront us with the truth .... and we know who you are -- and you‘ll disappear mysteriously). Obviously following the WTS’s model of "This is what we’re saying; But this is what we mean."
Kent, the same guy who used Simon’s board to post blatantly racist remarks and the foulest of epithets against people. The guy who demanded "No Censorship!" Well, now he’s got his own board and , low and behold, what’s demanded of Simon (his long-suffering and endurance of dissenters) doesn’t get a chance over at the Kent’s Watchtower DB.
I signed on. Quoted Kent and then questioned him on his remarks. I went to lunch with my sons -- came back and guess what? I’d been disfellowshiped ... and there wasn’t even a committee meeting. (Well, maybe there was a "secret" one, but I wasn’t invited).
Simon, you’re a gem. Kent, for those who have been paying attention, you aren't even in the game.
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WT May 1st - Watch out for traitors in our midst!
by dmouse inanother thread on the wt may 1st 2002 issue.. jehovah hates the course of treachery.
in a thinly veiled attack on the likes of youknow the society issues this proclamation to jws who dare to say anything out of line with the watchtower bullshit and tossers society:.
10. are we personally alert, so that no unrighteousness is found on our lips?
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Fear! Fear! Fear! Thanks for the quotes dmouse. I don't get the magazines anymore -- so I appreciate your sharing this:
10. Are we personally alert, so that no unrighteousness is found on our lips? For example, can
our family members really trust what we say? Can our spiritual brothers and sisters in the
congregation do the same? It would be easy to develop the habit of couching one’s words in
terms that are technically accurate but misleading.This epitomizes the "mind control" of the GB. Suspicion, distrust -- what kinds of relationships can people have when each thought is examined and appraised to see if it WT rote? And what exactly is "technically accurate but misleading"?
Pete