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JW Study, close to baptism, begins to ask questions following our conversation

by uk_ex_jw in

i will keep this brief.. a jw study who recently contacted me on facebook, has been to the elder's following a conversation with me in where i outlined my reasons for leaving the wt society.. he originally started asking me why i wasn't a jw anymore and how important it was that i returned to the 'truth' and how the devil was ruling the world and turning people against jehovah's people etc etc.

he was, as you would expect, full of beans and enthusiastic about what he was learning and telling me how he couldn't wait to get baptised now.. he was studying years ago - that is how i knew him.

since then he has been off doing his own thing and now they have managed to rope him back again.. i have explained to him that i do not believe that jw's have the truth, sent him video's, and other evidence, about the paedophilia situation, un scandal, links to the mason's, changed doctrines regarding blood/generation and so forth.. he sent me a reply and said that he wasn't sure anymore and that he agreed with me that the wt society was controlling.

uk_ex_jw

It's possible - one of the Elder's he has been speaking to, his son still speaks to me - that is the only link they have as I moved out of the area 7 years ago.

I would quite welcome a visit.

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JW Study, close to baptism, begins to ask questions following our conversation

by uk_ex_jw in

i will keep this brief.. a jw study who recently contacted me on facebook, has been to the elder's following a conversation with me in where i outlined my reasons for leaving the wt society.. he originally started asking me why i wasn't a jw anymore and how important it was that i returned to the 'truth' and how the devil was ruling the world and turning people against jehovah's people etc etc.

he was, as you would expect, full of beans and enthusiastic about what he was learning and telling me how he couldn't wait to get baptised now.. he was studying years ago - that is how i knew him.

since then he has been off doing his own thing and now they have managed to rope him back again.. i have explained to him that i do not believe that jw's have the truth, sent him video's, and other evidence, about the paedophilia situation, un scandal, links to the mason's, changed doctrines regarding blood/generation and so forth.. he sent me a reply and said that he wasn't sure anymore and that he agreed with me that the wt society was controlling.

uk_ex_jw

A call from who? The Elder's?

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Who like jehovah witness?I don't for sure!

by witchtowerwitch in

they won't give you the sweat off of there balls!.

uk_ex_jw

I hate everything they stand for. They truly are a selfish bunch of subhumans with a thirst for control and money.

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JW Study, close to baptism, begins to ask questions following our conversation

by uk_ex_jw in

i will keep this brief.. a jw study who recently contacted me on facebook, has been to the elder's following a conversation with me in where i outlined my reasons for leaving the wt society.. he originally started asking me why i wasn't a jw anymore and how important it was that i returned to the 'truth' and how the devil was ruling the world and turning people against jehovah's people etc etc.

he was, as you would expect, full of beans and enthusiastic about what he was learning and telling me how he couldn't wait to get baptised now.. he was studying years ago - that is how i knew him.

since then he has been off doing his own thing and now they have managed to rope him back again.. i have explained to him that i do not believe that jw's have the truth, sent him video's, and other evidence, about the paedophilia situation, un scandal, links to the mason's, changed doctrines regarding blood/generation and so forth.. he sent me a reply and said that he wasn't sure anymore and that he agreed with me that the wt society was controlling.

uk_ex_jw

Hi all,

I will keep this brief.

A JW study who recently contacted me on Facebook, has been to the Elder's following a conversation with me in where I outlined my reasons for leaving the WT Society.

He originally started asking me why I wasn't a JW anymore and how important it was that I returned to the 'truth' and how the devil was ruling the world and turning people against Jehovah's people etc etc. He was, as you would expect, full of beans and enthusiastic about what he was learning and telling me how he couldn't wait to get baptised now.

He was studying years ago - that is how I knew him. Since then he has been off doing his own thing and now they have managed to rope him back again.

I have explained to him that I do not believe that JW's have the truth, sent him video's, and other evidence, about the paedophilia situation, UN scandal, links to the Mason's, changed doctrines regarding blood/generation and so forth.

He sent me a reply and said that he wasn't sure anymore and that he agreed with me that the WT Society was controlling. He said he felt trapped but he was desperate to know the truth before he committed himself and regretted it later.

He told me a couple of days ago that he was meeting the Elders to discuss the issues I have raised. He said that he felt down and his spirituality was now affected and the bubble has burst.

I haven't heard from him since.

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Anxiety attacks and Door to Door Activity...what have you observed?

by Momma-Tossed-Me in

during door to door activity in the distant past i have had the experience of witnessing actual anxiety attacks of jw's who could not handle that required preaching on that day and on more than one occasion.. this is what i have seen on multiple occassions.. extreme headaches, upset stomach to the point of vomiting, visible trembling before even approaching the door, arguments with spouses and children, signs of elevated blood pressure, light sensitiity, a total character change, and basicly a complete shut down to the point of limited communication.

yes we all have butterflies in the stomach associated with certain activities but what i am talking about here bodily affliction to the point of physically affecting the individual in some cases for the rest of the day.. these symptoms are obviously present for some newbie to this type of activity but i have observed this from people who have been exposed to this type of work for years.

i think the body just cannot handle the stress anymore, and the marination in the hormones associated with it.

uk_ex_jw

I always found the door-to-door ministry extremely hard and often confrontational. I would also suffer some of the effects that the OP described.

I always preferred giving tracts to people in the City Centre as I could approach who I wanted. Obviously, knocking someone's door is a step into the unknown and you do not know who is behind it - that is what causes the anxiety.

One older Brother who was moving out of the area, gave me his magazine route - that become the basis of my ministry and in the end that is all I used to do before I faded.

I remember an Elder placing about four of us on a carpark to preach to Saturday shoppers who were leaving/returning to their cars.

Imagine, it was a small car park (parking lot in the US) with cars coming in and out, people everywhere, no room to move. It was clear straight away that people didn't appreciate being stopped and preached to whilst carrying heavy bags, and people in cars were waiting for spaces to appear. Our Elder decided to leave us on there and dissapear on a few return visits instead of seeing it through.

Eventually, I just sat down on the wall and started wondering what I was doing here and how crap my life was. It was following this awful experience that I started fading.

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JW Elder still in music business - despite telling congregation he wasn't

by uk_ex_jw in

i've known this elder for years.

when i was in the borg he told me how he was in the music business before he became a jw.. he made a point of telling me how ruthless it was and how he had been ripped off for thousands of pounds.. he did many talks from the platform over how as a young man he was involved in a typical 'drugs, rock and roll' lifestyle and how becoming a jw changed his life.. there was a young guy in the congregation who was particulary interested in music.

this elder counselled him that it was ok to do it i.e.

uk_ex_jw

I think this is the issue.

I wouldn't say he could rationalise - he counseled others for doing the exact same thing that he was doing.

The only difference is that he did it privately and didn't want anyone else to know.

He is JW through and through and would never question teachings. He stopped speaking to me once I defected.

For instance, there was a gay ex-JW who D/A himself. Because this Elder had an input in the job that he had, he proceeded to approach the parents and asked them to tell their son to 'stay in the closet' at work as it would embarrass him if he came out as gay.

Bearing in mind of course, the guy had D/A but still JW's interfering in his life.

Heronimus Fin are the band. Google it, in particular the album Bloodguilt.

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JW Elder still in music business - despite telling congregation he wasn't

by uk_ex_jw in

i've known this elder for years.

when i was in the borg he told me how he was in the music business before he became a jw.. he made a point of telling me how ruthless it was and how he had been ripped off for thousands of pounds.. he did many talks from the platform over how as a young man he was involved in a typical 'drugs, rock and roll' lifestyle and how becoming a jw changed his life.. there was a young guy in the congregation who was particulary interested in music.

this elder counselled him that it was ok to do it i.e.

uk_ex_jw

I've known this Elder for years. When I was in the borg he told me how he was in the music business before he became a JW.

He made a point of telling me how ruthless it was and how he had been ripped off for thousands of pounds.

He did many talks from the platform over how as a young man he was involved in a typical 'drugs, rock and roll' lifestyle and how becoming a JW changed his life.

There was a young guy in the congregation who was particulary interested in music. This Elder counselled him that it was OK to do it i.e. at congregation parties, but not to venture into the music business as a profession as it could lead to an immoral lifestyle. After all, he was speaking from experience.

Anyway, a few years ago, this Elder appeared on television, with a couple of other JW's to promote their single - all about animal cruelty. A couple of people in the congregation saw him and said "I saw you on television the other day". He just replied "did you? really? oh thats interesting, isn't it?" and walked away without answering anything else.

He later told me that he was doing this 'single' for charity - an animal sanctuary that was struggling for money.

It became clear over time that he was still involved in the music business. The band was him, a ministerial servant, an inactive JW, and a wordly guy. He was still releasing albums but always asked me not to tell anyone as it could 'stumble' people in the congregation.

He even released an album once that had a picture of the pope/adolf hitler on the front of it and refers to the genre of music as psychodelic - a quick look in the dictionary describes that word as 'relating to or denoting drugs (esp. LSD) that produces hallucinations and apparent expansion of consciousness'.

Yet, he still tells the congregation that the music business was something he was glad to get away from due to the nature of it.

He is still a well-respected Elder.

What do you guys think?

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Brother brownose..Did you have any in your congro?????

by karter in

had 2 in my last congro.. 1 was trying sssooo hard to be an m.s we used to say he was brownoseing out (not reaching out) he would allways fall all over the c.o and hang around the elders like the bad smell he was.. another one was an m.s for years and brownoseing out to be an elder....him and his wife kissed every available arse,they used to make me sick when the c.o came around...he finaly made elder only to be removed 3 months latter.. .

karter..

uk_ex_jw

There were always brown-noses, but I found more often than not that Elders would push their 'friends' up the ladder to MS and Elders.

For instance, there was one Elder who pushed his Son-In-Law up the ladder to an MS and Elder, despite showing no effort or enthusiasm whatsoever but he became one none-the-less.

The S-I-L was the most miserable people you could ever wish to meet and completely unapproachable. He never said hello to anyone, came to the meetings, did his talks and other responsibilities and disappeared straight away when the meeting closed. I'm sure we've all met Elders like that.

I remember once that it came to light that the Elders all played golf together and occasionally would invite other 'Brothers' to tag along. These 'Brothers' would often be appointed within a short period of time which again indicated that Elder's would recommend certain JW's for positions of responsibility because they socialised with them. It was nothing to do with Holy Spirit appointing them or because they were 'reaching out'.

The same Elder (above) pushed his own study all the way to be a MS and then later an Elder. Again, it was nothing to do with this individual 'reaching out', it was purely because this Elder wanted a feather in his cap.

After he was appointed, he smugly made reference saying that he was the 'jewel' in ***** crown'. Says it all really.

He was lazy, arrogant, tell his wife private congregation business, caused divisions in the book group, and would often not turn up for talks. He was the biggest snitch going and would deliberately cause rifts by revealing private conversations.

At the time I was reaching out to be an MS and he put every obstacle in my way. I even found out that he had recommended that I shouldn't be made up as I wasn't a Pioneer. Yet at the time, I was running the sound by myself (sound Servant was never at meetings), putting in over 20+ hours a month, doing talks on the MS, reading the Watchtower, prayers, you name it, I was doing it.

Eventually, he had all my priviledges removed because I didn't turn up to read at the bookgroup one night. He went to the other Elders and said that I was 'unreliable'.

I then met someone at work and started a relationship with her. It was at that time I was put on a judicial comittee and reproved. He loved every minute of it but following that I never reached out again and slowly started to fade.

I made the mistake of marrying a JW in haste, thinking that would keep me a JW. The truth is she wanted out of it as much as I did and eventually we both stopped attending meetings. We had a turbulent marriage that ended in 2007.

Sorry for the ramble. ;)

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Attended a JW funeral the other day

by uk_ex_jw in

i had an account on here sometime ago but forgot the login, but i often read the site.. a long-term friend of mine, a jw, asked me to go to his grandmothers jw funeral a few weeks ago.. i was hesitant obviously.

i haven't been to a kh in over 5 years.. i am not df/da.

i decided to quit in 2007 following my failed marriage to a jw.. the person who died was a very well-respected jw pioneer.

uk_ex_jw

Yes, nothing had changed. It was like a reunion. Since I had left, the congregation had been merged with another congregation and split in two.

Someone else mentioned about the visits; I moved out of the area sometime ago so it is unlikely that they will travel down here.

I can only refer to it as a cleansing. It made me realise how far I have come as a person since those days, listening to the same drab speakers, week in and week out, reading the same literature, being told what to do and with whom...it felt good that actually I was sat there, as a non-JW.

With regard to the deceased, she always seemed a kind person, albeit a little gulliable and bemused by it all. I could well imagine that if the Hari Krisna had got there first she would have shaven her head and been banging a tambourine in the middle of the City centre.

It must be hard for the JW's to see people, who they never thought would die, dropping one by one. No wonder they revert to type, a sales pitch to try and rally the troops and intensify their efforts.

The alternative would be the horror of admitting that all of this has been a waste of time, some of them cutting their own children off because they left the cult, for nothing.

All they are is a tiny minority spec of a cult peddling hate, like so many others.

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Attended a JW funeral the other day

by uk_ex_jw in

i had an account on here sometime ago but forgot the login, but i often read the site.. a long-term friend of mine, a jw, asked me to go to his grandmothers jw funeral a few weeks ago.. i was hesitant obviously.

i haven't been to a kh in over 5 years.. i am not df/da.

i decided to quit in 2007 following my failed marriage to a jw.. the person who died was a very well-respected jw pioneer.

uk_ex_jw

Hi all,

I had an account on here sometime ago but forgot the login, but I often read the site.

A long-term friend of mine, a JW, asked me to go to his Grandmothers JW funeral a few weeks ago.

I was hesitant obviously. I haven't been to a KH in over 5 years.

I am not DF/DA. I decided to quit in 2007 following my failed marriage to a JW.

The person who died was a very well-respected JW Pioneer. She had been doing it for over 30+ years, all she spoke about was the 'truth' and what was in the latest magazines. She had no other conversation.

Obviously, I didn't want to let my friend down. He had kept in touch with me since I left, never judged, and I was the first person he came to when he learned of his Grandmothers passing.

He said that it would mean a lot to him if I came along, so I decided to make the effort.

Imagine the scene.

I haven't been in this KH for over 5 years. The 'attendant' didn't even recognised me when I entered the foyer with my current partner. He asked whether I was a friend of the family. Once I told him who I was, he looked shocked. He ushered me into the main hall and because there wasn't any seats, he gave his one up so I could sit down.

The service was tedious at best. I would say 40% was spent talking about the deceased, 60% about the 'truth' and how we could take this opportunity to learn more about the 'truth' and that it was the only way to see our dead loved ones again. He babbled on about storing up treasures in heaven instead of on earth and the usual rhetoric about how the world is passing away, paradise earth, blah, blah, blah.

The Elder doing the service - someone who took me under his own wing when I was young. On a personal level, he is a nice enough guy, but totally blinded by the cult and its teachings to the point where he would get aggressive with you if you ever dared to question anything.

I remember talking to him once about his son and what he would do if there came a time where he didn't want to come to the meetings.

His response: "He wouldn't have a choice - he'll be going whatever".

I left it at that.

I took the time to watch the congregation whilst the service was going on and there was no emotion whatsoever - instead lots of nodding heads and rustling through the Bible whilst I sat staring at the speaker. I think he noticed me and at one point was talking directly at me for a spell. I sat stern faced looking back.

Why am I writing this?

In a lot of ways, it gave me closure. I felt almost cleansed

I saw my friend at the end of the service and shook his hand. A couple of other JW's spoke to me, asked how I was, I answered politely that I was fine, and walked away from them. Most of the rest saw me, but didn't come and speak which was good.

uk_ex_jw

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