Posts by WhatshallIcallmyself

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Welcome me

by natasha in

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friends

hello brothers and sisters am new here , what is the website all about ?.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"No Brothers and Sisters here..." - ttdtt

Maybe she meant fellow inquisitive humans...

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Welcome me

by natasha in

jw
friends

hello brothers and sisters am new here , what is the website all about ?.

This is a support site for those that have been affected (one way or another) by the Jehovah's Witness organisation. Some members have left the organisation, some are in the process of leaving and others are still in but curious for another point of view.

Have fun browsing.

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Aliens

by Jayk in

i thought i was weird that i believe in aliens.

until i remembered that people believe there is a god..

WhatshallIcallmyself

Belief in the possibility of aliens does not require you to suspend the laws of the universe we live in, unlike gods (it is a question often posed by the religious because they think aliens and gods require the same type of belief). If aliens are extant then they have evolved just like us (unless they popped in to existence...) and require no special pleading to make a place for them in our universe.

However the idea that they have decided to sneak to us without us noticing (aside from some grainy videos and anecdotal stories) and abduct us is stupid and without evidence. So are we to believe that an alien race that is advanced enough to circumvent our monitoring stations, isn't advanced enough to fool cousin Billy-Bob who remembers being 'taken' and anally 'investigated'.

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Pacifism is Morally Indefensible

by cofty in

i have been surprised recently to see so much support by ex-jws for the watchtower's refusal to fight and kill.

in my opinion it is a vice masquerading as a virtue.

of course war should always be a last resort but there are occasions that it has to be done.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"Cofty, just curious about which wars you have run off to join in your life?" - shadow

Because if you haven't gone to war or refused to fight (i.e. acted in extremity) then you should have no opinion on this subject!

How many people have been a politician in their lives? Perhaps those that haven't should refrain from voting...

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Can someone tell me why Joan's ark and the flood not true and impossible?

by Gokumonkey in

hey everyone.

i have a question and i hope i'm not confusing this with something else i heard.

while watching ex jw videos on youtube many of them talk about how noah's ark and the flood didn't happen and it's impossible.

WhatshallIcallmyself

Geology tells us all we need to know about the possibility of a global flood. The good thing about that branch of science with regards to this topic is that whatever is asserted by those that believe a worldwide flood happened can be readily checked with our evidence. That alone allows you to forget about how animals got to this ark and how this ark was built etc.

http://talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-flood.html

However that is a complicated subject that takes time to learn and understand. So instead focus on the contemporary civilisations around the world that make no mention of a global flood (or getting wiped out) and continue with their progression oblivious to this supposed event. Google will throw up all manner of information about societies alive at the time this flood was meant to have happened...

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Difficulty fading out

by Emily1987 in

jw
friends

this is my first post on here so i apologize that it is like an essay!.

my husband and i are currently 'fading out' of the truth.

we stopped preaching in may 2016 and limited meeting attendance in january 2017 and stopped completely in june 2017. my main reason for this was my whole life i have been doing things to please others, even getting baptized to please my mum.

WhatshallIcallmyself

Any contact from the local Jws from now on isn't going to be for your 'spiritual' welfare but to sow fear into those remaining in the congregation that you have left.

Other posters have mentioned F.O.G. on here and the elders will try their hardest to ensure you are made an example of, if you let them, to ensure a fear of isolation is put into those who may also feel they can fade away; to remind them that they are obliged to tell on their brothers and sisters if they see anything untoward happening; and to remind them that continuing to be your friend would make god cry...

If you want to be party to their F.O.G tactics then meet with them. If you want no further part in their cult then tell them to F.O.!

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God is our help, not “a burden”

by venus in

sir julian huxley (one of the great pillars of modern neo-darwinism) may be a symbol of people who feel god is a burden because he wrote: “the god hypothesis .

is becoming an intellectual and moral burden on our thought.

" therefore, he concluded that "we must construct something to take its place.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"This is not the time to argue" - venus

I saw no evidence of argumentation; if there were, that would suggest both of your views were equally valid which they are not. What I saw was cofty schooling you on your ignorance of evolution via natural selection.

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Bible is good if we look for implied truth

by venus in

thumbs-up gesture doesn’t covey much if we see only four fingers closed and thumb standing upward.

but if we look for the implied meaning, then it is a positive, informal signal indicating a job well done, and saying ‘keep it up.’.

similarly, biblical accounts don’t convey much if we see them as mere accounts.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"In the realm of spiritual physics" - venus

What on Earth is that then? Define what that is. How can we test the claims you are making.

Or are you simply hijacking scientific sounding words to bolster some ludicrous idea?

"When I reminded you about the impropriety of using “fuck off” towards a lady" - venus

Your gender is irrelevant. What you are asking for is in itself is a product of an archaic notion that females should be held to a different standard than their male counterparts. Logically therefore it is you that are living like an 'iron age' throwback and not Cofty who is treating you equally to everyone else who spouts new-age nonsense.

Your comments about evolution only shows your ignorance of the subject, it certainly does not support your attempted point...sigh.

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If mathematics teacher made a mistake, would it mean mathematics itself is wrong!

by venus in

many people point to the irrationality in the depiction of god by the religions and their scriptures, hence jump into the bottomless pit of atheism.

in either camp, god is not a factor because religion is only a means that misrepresents god, hence religionists themselves are atheists (literally, those who live without god).

it is like saying there exists no earth because you found out your friend who taught earth is flat is wrong; or it is like saying mathematics itself is wrong because you found out your mathematics teacher made a mistake.

WhatshallIcallmyself

Prove a god exists... You cannot...

Define what a god is... You cannot...

If a god exists and you cannot define/prove it then it might as well not exist for all the good it does us.

We know maths exists because we can use it to quantify observations of our environment. This is testable and has a proven track record of accuracy. We also know the Earth is not flat because we can see it isn't. It does not matter what some people may or may not say about it.

You're analogies are awful and have no bearing on what you are trying to prove. You might find your time is better spent elsewhere...

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Bible is good if we look for implied truth

by venus in

thumbs-up gesture doesn’t covey much if we see only four fingers closed and thumb standing upward.

but if we look for the implied meaning, then it is a positive, informal signal indicating a job well done, and saying ‘keep it up.’.

similarly, biblical accounts don’t convey much if we see them as mere accounts.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"atheists and agnostics think of themselves as more open-minded than those of a religious bent, but are actually less tolerant to differing opinions and ideas" - venus

When you believe in and preach bollocks it is harder to be intolerant to other bollocks because the same arguments you would use against their bollocks would also apply to yours. Therefore it is better to tolerate another's bollocks lest attention is drawn to your own...

Atheists and agnostics on the other hand don't have to worry about defending bollocks and are therefore in a better position to call the bollocks believer to account.

Also, I think a stone age man would probably also tell you to fuck off, as I doubt they were dumb enough to accept your nonsense...