Posts by WhatshallIcallmyself

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

There is literally no evidence for a flat Earth. We will leave aside the fact that we can see the Earth is a sphere (for the purposes of this discussion) and instead consider that no 'evidence' that is presented for there being a flat Earth accounts for all our observations from this planet.

The notion of a 'ball Earth' works with physical observations, the notion of a flat Earth would require a whole new set of physical explanations that explains not only ball shaped objects but flat objects also.

In our observable Universe objects over a certain mass are ball shaped; gravity causes this. We can measure the mass of the Earth and we know this exceeds the minimum required mass to cause it to become ball shaped.

Most flat Earthers also consider the Earth to be the centre of the Universe with everything orbiting us. That raises a whole new set of questions (such as how can galaxies move faster than the speed of light) as well as meaning the answers we already have (including verified predictions) no longer explain anything. Even maths stops working...apparently.

But as I said at the start, we can see the Earth is a sphere therefore all suggestions that the Earth is flat have to be based either in a profound ignorance or a profound sense of troll.

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Flat earth vs round earth

by Jrjw in

my brother has been talking about the earth being flat and some big conspiracy going on to make people beieve otherwise.

what are people's thoughts on this?.

WhatshallIcallmyself

'Flat Earth Theories' are a good lesson in to how language can be used to beguile people who would otherwise just laugh off such things.

Yes we all know the Earth is not flat yet even then some of these explanations that 'prove' the Earth is flat are rather compelling; yet without some scientific knowledge and despite knowing that what you are reading is BS you can't explain away their points.

Now consider the creationist movement and their well funded articles that frequently rear their ugly little heads over on UCD and such like webshites. If such a ludicrous and obviously false notion of a flat Earth can allow reasonably sounding arguments to be made then it suddenly becomes plainly clear why less clear cuts ideas (we can't actually see life arising and evolving in front of our eyes) can attract such a following.

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Pacifism is Morally Indefensible

by cofty in

i have been surprised recently to see so much support by ex-jws for the watchtower's refusal to fight and kill.

in my opinion it is a vice masquerading as a virtue.

of course war should always be a last resort but there are occasions that it has to be done.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"Pontificating from the safety of your comfortable Western lifestyle" - shadow

You seem to have left out some adjectives commonly seen with comments like yours. Allow me to complete your sentence in a more fitting way:

Pontificating from the safety of your comfortable, white privileged, patriarchal, misogynistic, cis-gendered, rape enabling Western lifestyle.

No need to thank me, I understand the stress of expecting normalised social skills from someone such as yourself...

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Welcome me

by natasha in

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friends

hello brothers and sisters am new here , what is the website all about ?.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"No Brothers and Sisters here..." - ttdtt

Maybe she meant fellow inquisitive humans...

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Welcome me

by natasha in

jw
friends

hello brothers and sisters am new here , what is the website all about ?.

WhatshallIcallmyself

Hi Natasha,

This is a support site for those that have been affected (one way or another) by the Jehovah's Witness organisation. Some members have left the organisation, some are in the process of leaving and others are still in but curious for another point of view.

Have fun browsing.

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Aliens

by Jayk in

i thought i was weird that i believe in aliens.

until i remembered that people believe there is a god..

WhatshallIcallmyself

Belief in the possibility of aliens does not require you to suspend the laws of the universe we live in, unlike gods (it is a question often posed by the religious because they think aliens and gods require the same type of belief). If aliens are extant then they have evolved just like us (unless they popped in to existence...) and require no special pleading to make a place for them in our universe.

However the idea that they have decided to sneak to us without us noticing (aside from some grainy videos and anecdotal stories) and abduct us is stupid and without evidence. So are we to believe that an alien race that is advanced enough to circumvent our monitoring stations, isn't advanced enough to fool cousin Billy-Bob who remembers being 'taken' and anally 'investigated'.

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Pacifism is Morally Indefensible

by cofty in

i have been surprised recently to see so much support by ex-jws for the watchtower's refusal to fight and kill.

in my opinion it is a vice masquerading as a virtue.

of course war should always be a last resort but there are occasions that it has to be done.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"Cofty, just curious about which wars you have run off to join in your life?" - shadow

Because if you haven't gone to war or refused to fight (i.e. acted in extremity) then you should have no opinion on this subject!

How many people have been a politician in their lives? Perhaps those that haven't should refrain from voting...

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Can someone tell me why Joan's ark and the flood not true and impossible?

by Gokumonkey in

hey everyone.

i have a question and i hope i'm not confusing this with something else i heard.

while watching ex jw videos on youtube many of them talk about how noah's ark and the flood didn't happen and it's impossible.

WhatshallIcallmyself

Geology tells us all we need to know about the possibility of a global flood. The good thing about that branch of science with regards to this topic is that whatever is asserted by those that believe a worldwide flood happened can be readily checked with our evidence. That alone allows you to forget about how animals got to this ark and how this ark was built etc.

http://talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-flood.html

However that is a complicated subject that takes time to learn and understand. So instead focus on the contemporary civilisations around the world that make no mention of a global flood (or getting wiped out) and continue with their progression oblivious to this supposed event. Google will throw up all manner of information about societies alive at the time this flood was meant to have happened...

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Difficulty fading out

by Emily1987 in

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friends

this is my first post on here so i apologize that it is like an essay!.

my husband and i are currently 'fading out' of the truth.

we stopped preaching in may 2016 and limited meeting attendance in january 2017 and stopped completely in june 2017. my main reason for this was my whole life i have been doing things to please others, even getting baptized to please my mum.

WhatshallIcallmyself

Any contact from the local Jws from now on isn't going to be for your 'spiritual' welfare but to sow fear into those remaining in the congregation that you have left.

Other posters have mentioned F.O.G. on here and the elders will try their hardest to ensure you are made an example of, if you let them, to ensure a fear of isolation is put into those who may also feel they can fade away; to remind them that they are obliged to tell on their brothers and sisters if they see anything untoward happening; and to remind them that continuing to be your friend would make god cry...

If you want to be party to their F.O.G tactics then meet with them. If you want no further part in their cult then tell them to F.O.!

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God is our help, not “a burden”

by venus in

sir julian huxley (one of the great pillars of modern neo-darwinism) may be a symbol of people who feel god is a burden because he wrote: “the god hypothesis .

is becoming an intellectual and moral burden on our thought.

" therefore, he concluded that "we must construct something to take its place.

WhatshallIcallmyself

"This is not the time to argue" - venus

I saw no evidence of argumentation; if there were, that would suggest both of your views were equally valid which they are not. What I saw was cofty schooling you on your ignorance of evolution via natural selection.