Posts by deegee

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So it was claimed that the resolution issued by the meeting at Jerusalem was issued by the Holy Spirit (Acts 15), yet................

by deegee in

according to acts 15, the meeting at jerusalem boldly declared that god's holy spirit issued a formal resolution counselling christians to "abstain from meats offered to idols and from blood, and from things strangled, and from formication", yet in 1 corinthians chapters 8 &10 paul set the holy spirit-issued resolution of the jerusalem meeting regarding the eating of meat sacrificed to idols aside:.

"concerning the eating of food offered to idols … some, because of their former association with the idol, eat food as something sacrificed to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.

but food will not bring us nearer to god; we are no worse off if we do not eat, nor better off if we eat.

deegee

According to Acts 15, the meeting at Jerusalem boldly declared that God's Holy Spirit issued a formal resolution counselling Christians to "abstain from meats offered to idols and from blood, and from things strangled, and from formication", YET in 1 Corinthians chapters 8 &10 Paul set the Holy Spirit-issued resolution of the Jerusalem meeting regarding the eating of meat sacrificed to idols aside:

"Concerning the eating of food offered to idols … some, because of their former association with the idol, eat food as something sacrificed to an idol, and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. But food will not bring us nearer to God; we are no worse off if we do not eat, nor better off if we eat. All things are lawful, but not all things are advantageous. All things are lawful, but not all things build up. … Eat whatever is sold in a meat market, making no inquiry because of your conscience. … If an unbeliever invites you and you want to go, eat whatever is set before you, making no inquiry on account of your conscience" (1 Corinthians 8:4, 7-8; 1 Corinthians 10:23, 25, 27 NWT, 2013).

How could Paul have done this when the Holy Spirit issued this necessary resolution which must be adhered to (as is also insisted on by the WT)?

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A Stupid Prayer by Jesus

by deegee in

so jesus prayed:"father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing" (luke 23:34).. how must god forgive those who put jesus to death when god required jesus' death as the only mechanism by which he would or could forgive individual humans for their sins and grant them salvation?.

1 john 1:6-8 (nkjv):"but if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of jesus christ his son cleanses us from all sin.".

romans 4:24-25 (niv):"for us who believe in him who raised jesus our lord from the dead.

deegee

So Jesus prayed:
"Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing"
(Luke 23:34).

How must God forgive those who put Jesus to death when God required Jesus' death as the only mechanism by which He would or could forgive individual humans for their sins and grant them salvation?

1 John 1:6-8 (NKJV):
"But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin."

Romans 4:24-25 (NIV):
"For us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification."

Hebrews 9:28 New King James Version (NKJV):
"So Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation."

Please Feel Free To Add A Scripture To This List.

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Introduction

by robrog8999 in

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friends

hello all.... i am new here so i figured i'd make a quick post introducing myself and giving a brief intro as to who i am and what i'm here for... as well as to hopefully meet others.. so, i made a profile and in it i gave a pretty detailed explanation as to my intent here and exactly why i decided to participate in the boards.

in case you don't read it, i'll give a brief summary.

the name is robert.

deegee

To say that the Trinity doctrine is unbiblical is not correct as the bible in fact teaches both that Jesus is God/equal to God and that Jesus is God's son. So both Trinitarians and non-Trinitarians can find support for their doctrine in the bible.

If someone is earnestly searching for the truth regarding any matter, not just religion, I would imagine that the logical/sensible thing to do is to listen to EVERYONE and consider ALL viewpoints, otherwise they will end up shortchanging themselves.

Biblical historians/persons who engage in Biblical Studies offer another perspective/viewpoint worth considering. The following is a Biblical historian's viewpoint regarding the Trinity doctrine:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7IPAKsGbqcg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kbLm_Xiqih8

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SdSievHrris

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RtkeNuCwinc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AxiNy8mwHqM

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Is it the original anointed person or their clone who will be in heaven?

by deegee in

the wt teaches that there's no part of a human being that survives the death of the body.

if the anointed do not have an immortal soul/ some immaterial part of them that survives death, then whoever will be in heaven won't be the original anointed person but their clone since once a person dies, according to wt theology, they cease to exist; so god will have to create a spirit body from nothing for that person and that created body by definition will therefore not be the original person but their clone.. so it will be a person's clone that will get to live forever in heaven and rule with christ, and not the original person.............one can now see why other religions teach the doctrine of the immortality of the soul..

deegee

The WT teaches that there's no part of a human being that survives the death of the body. If the anointed do not have an immortal soul/ some immaterial part of them that survives death, then whoever will be in heaven won't be the original anointed person but their CLONE since once a person dies, according to WT theology, they cease to exist; so God will have to create a spirit body FROM NOTHING for that person and that created body by definition will therefore NOT be the original person but their CLONE.

So it will be a person's CLONE that will get to live forever in heaven and rule with Christ, and NOT the original person.............one can now see why other religions teach the doctrine of the immortality of the soul.

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The Anointed Class: Do They Have Spirits?

by Cold Steel in

i realize that the anointed class inherits heaven while the great crowd inherits a renewed planet earth, but how and when are the anointed chosen?

are these people born with spirits or do they grow them as they live?

when they die, they don't sleep but go right to heaven, right?

deegee

If the anointed do not have an immortal soul or some immaterial part of them that survives death, then whoever will be in heaven won't be the original anointed person but their CLONE since once a person dies, according to WT theology, they cease to exist; so God will have to create a spirit body FROM NOTHING for that person and that created body by definition will NOT be the original person but their CLONE.

So it will be a person's CLONE that will get to live forever in heaven and rule with Christ, and NOT the original person.............one can now see why other religions teach the doctrine of the immortality of the soul.

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The Anointed Class: Do They Have Spirits?

by Cold Steel in

i realize that the anointed class inherits heaven while the great crowd inherits a renewed planet earth, but how and when are the anointed chosen?

are these people born with spirits or do they grow them as they live?

when they die, they don't sleep but go right to heaven, right?

deegee

The WT teaches that there's no part of a human being that survives the death of a human being.........but I suppose there is an exception in the case of the anointed.

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What if Jesus Christ was not put to death by the Romans but instead died a natural death?

by deegee in

according to christianity, the death of jesus was a miscarriage of justice.

so then, what if there was no so-called miscarriage of justice so that jesus was not put to death by the romans but he instead died a natural death?

would christians still receive the forgiveness of their sins and their hoped for salvation?.

deegee

According to Christianity, the death of Jesus was a miscarriage of justice. So then, what if there was no so-called miscarriage of justice so that Jesus was not put to death by the Romans but he instead died a natural death? Would Christians still receive the forgiveness of their sins and their hoped for salvation?

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Does God communicate with humans today?

by deegee in

there seems to be confusion within christianity regarding whether or not god communicates with humans today and if he does, how does he do it?.

- does god still insert thoughts into people's minds today or is that something which he only did in the past?.

- some maintain that god is no longer giving persons dreams/visions or speaking directly to them or sending angels to speak with them today but he will nevertheless insert thoughts into their minds to guide them.

deegee

How does a person know whether they are just experiencing psychotic/delusional thoughts or if it is god who is actually speaking to them or inserting thoughts into his/her mind?

Does God make it unequivocally, unambiguously, explicitly clear up front whether or not it is he who is doing these things (speaking to the person or inserting thoughts into his/her mind)?

This has implications for the following JW doctrines:

- the calling of the 144,000 (a unique doctrine of the JW's)

- the JW's claim that Jesus chose them as the only one true religion in 1919

- the JW's claim that God leads/directs their governing body

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Does God communicate with humans today?

by deegee in

there seems to be confusion within christianity regarding whether or not god communicates with humans today and if he does, how does he do it?.

- does god still insert thoughts into people's minds today or is that something which he only did in the past?.

- some maintain that god is no longer giving persons dreams/visions or speaking directly to them or sending angels to speak with them today but he will nevertheless insert thoughts into their minds to guide them.

deegee

There seems to be confusion within Christianity regarding whether or not God communicates with humans today and if he does, how does he do it?

- Does God still insert thoughts into people's minds today or is that something which he only did in the past?

- Some maintain that God is no longer giving persons dreams/visions or speaking directly to them or sending angels to speak with them today but he will nevertheless insert thoughts into their minds to guide them.
I don't see any difference between these different modes of communication since God is still communicating with persons.

- Some maintain that God does not in this age speak to humans through dreams, visions or any direct communication apart from the Word of God and the Bible is all sufficient in directing a person to finding and carrying out the will of God for their lives, without the need of a dream, vision or special communication from God in that manner.
If this is the case then I can only conclude that THERE IS NO NEED TO PRAY since God is not going to answer you; all you now have to do is to just read the Bible and then try to figure out what you should do.

On top of all of this confusion, God does not make it unequivocally, unambiguously, explicitly clear up front whether it is he who is inserting the thoughts into a person's mind or whether it is the unconscious dynamics of a person's mind at work. This is especially problematic in the case of a person who is delusional and experiencing psychotic symptoms but who may claim that god is communicating with him or her.

How does a person - whether psychotic/delusional or not psychotic/delusional know whether it is god who is inserting thoughts into his/her mind or speaking with him/her, if God does not make it unequivocally, unambiguously, explicitly clear up front whether it is he who is inserting the thoughts into a person's mind/speaking to them or whether it is just the unconscious dynamics of the person's mind at work?

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The glaring inequity between the 144,000 & the Great Crowd

by deegee in

there is a glaring inequity between the 144,000 & the great crowd (gc):.

the gc will experience:.

1. the great tribulation - a gruelling/horrifying time which has never occurred before.. 2. armageddon.. 3. a thousand years of “loving” molding and refinement.. 4. a second armageddon at the end of the thousand years.. the 144,000 will experience none of these things.. isn't it strange that the gc has to prove themself so much but the 144,000 don't???!!!

deegee

Now we see why JWs want to be a part of the anointed/144,000 and why the number of memorial partakers has been rising.........it seems the rank & file have figured out which is the better group to be a part of, LOL.