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  Cities in Crisis-Awake April 8 2001

  by ISP in

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  cities in crisis - awake 8 2001.

  'the growing number of street children is heartrending evidence of the deep poverty that exists in the cities of the developing world.

  according to some estimates, there are as many as 30 million street children worldwide!

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  philo

  Thanks for the breakdown ISP. It's always worth dissecting an article once in a while. Doing my pre-study, I call it.

  philo
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  If you went back...

  by LovesDubs in

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  ive not been to a meeting in five years probably.

  yet my husband still goes and i always envision him going in and the hardy handshakes he gives, greeting and being greeted, sitting there with all those suits with the secrets hidden inside, and all those pretty dresses hiding the pain.

  if i wasnt disassociated, i wonder if i would be bolder, speak up, be honest with the "friends" instead of toeing the company line.

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  philo

  lurkernomore and doubtingsister,

  If you think the young sisters are trying too hard to attract a man, please answer this. In a repressive environment like the WTS, how many opportunities to attract men do they get? Even just to learn about themselves and about men? They are not allowed to socialise with their peers at school. Their parties are restricted in size. They are supposed to have adult supervision when they gather. Talk about holding back the spring alright.

  Add to this the disproportionate number of women compared to men among the witnesses. Can you blame these girls if they visualise themselves becoming one of the numerous WT spinsters they know? I can't.

  philo
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  They SLAUGHTER KIDS in JWdom, don't they, Mom?

  by Focus in

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  here the prime sources of data are watchtower publications.. the data.

  fact one (from watchtower magazine 15 october, 1993 p32).

  doctor x, sympathetic to the jehovah's witnesses, stated that to forego blood transfusions increases the mortality rate for a standard operating procedure from c0.5% to c1.5% (in the advanced world).. fact two (from awake!

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  philo

  Focus,

  >>Definition: A death is UNNECESSARY if it occurred when it could've been prevented without any great extra expenditure or effort. Hence, proved. Proof by definition. Allowed.

  I can't let you have that.

  By this you mean, presumably, that nobody can possibly offer any reasons why those deaths might have been necessary. But, as distasteful as I find it, I can find a few. Look ye.

  1. The occasional bleeding 'unto death' provides a wonderful martyrdom to motivate the brothers. "If 7 year old Johnny could stay loyal, there's hope for us all in the tribulation"

  2. A dash of blood and a splash of publicity do wonders for the JW self-image of being a special, persecuted people. It highlights their peculiarity in a way that the public can respond to by getting angry.

  3. There is a need to liven up the JW palate consisting of Black and White, but which just mixes up to Grey. So a few drops of lifeblood give interest and, dare I say it, excitement to the picture? And there's nothing quite like a tangible enemy to quicken the blood. So doctors, nurses, judges, and journalists, run about the stage playing their demonic roles to fill the missing sense of drama in the JW's lives: the agony and the ecstacy.

  To counter the above advantageous aspects (or these 'necessaries things' :Acts 15) of the '''''No''''' Blood Doctrine, you have to show it to be Non Christian. An appeal to humanity is insufficient as there are routinely much bigger mortality factors on the lives of JWs than result from this doctrine.

  By selecting the right focal length you can see so much more, don't you think?

  :)

  philo

  Edited by - philo on 7 March 2001 5:59:50
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  They SLAUGHTER KIDS in JWdom, don't they, Mom?

  by Focus in

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  here the prime sources of data are watchtower publications.. the data.

  fact one (from watchtower magazine 15 october, 1993 p32).

  doctor x, sympathetic to the jehovah's witnesses, stated that to forego blood transfusions increases the mortality rate for a standard operating procedure from c0.5% to c1.5% (in the advanced world).. fact two (from awake!

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  Focus

  Thanks for the figures (and the maths lesson). I had no idea this doctrine would have affected/terminated so many.

  However, I think you're flies are down.

  You asserted that the 12,000 deaths were "UNNECESSARY". But you didn't say why. Is it called proof by assertion? So, with your legendary self-control and moderation, you waded into your basins-of-bloodguilt session, which despite being from the whore's own luscious lips, still does not patch the hole.
  You wouldn't want any newbie lurker reading your post, and spotting the gap, to think you had the same low opinion of the intellect of your readership as Madame WTBTS appears to have for hers, would you? At least a reference to "unscriptural blood doctrine (see www.XYZ for the gen)" would do.

  Philo (thought you got it last time class)
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  Why are we not "officially" informed?

  by MacHislopp in

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  do you find normal that:.

  it is interesting to point out that nearly a year after ceasing its policy of .

  disfellowshipping jehovahs witnesses who accept blood or the blood.

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  CONTINUE IN THE THINGS LEARNED

  Here's the information pecking order:

  1.WT Leadership and branches
  2.HLCs (and Apostates, simultaneously)
  3.'Worldly Media'
  4.Congregation Elders
  5.Congregation drones

  Now where on the list are the R&F? Oh yes they are the last to be told about anything.
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  "The Note"

  by AuSet in

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  at the 1994 district convention in bismark, north dakota, (could possibly have been 93) my sister wrote a note to her friend and tossed it in the garbage.

  the note contained a discussion about going to boy's hotel rooms after the sessions ended, and other troublesome activities, including lying to the parents about what my sister and her friend were doing.. presumably, an attendant found this note in the garbage and turned it into the elders.

  on the last talk of the last day of the convention, the note was read out loud to the entire audience, along with the warning that "whoever you are, we will find you.

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  philo

  As for reading it aloud, I am dubious. But a JW taking it in his grubby mitts to 'the authorities' has a ring of truth which you can't so easily dismiss. Informers all over, eh?
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  Leaving without losing

  by somebody in

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  good afternoon all,.

  after reading so many stories about people separating from their husbands/wives once the one of them stops attending meetings, i was wondering how someone could tell their spouse when they first starting learning the truth about the truth.

  i know there are couples who got out together on this board.

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  philo

  Welshman

  Are you slagging Hyacinth Bucket? I love that lady. I just wouldn't want to be sharing a square mile with her ya know.

  philo
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  Special knowledge?

  by MacHislopp in

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  i would like to share with you these " pearls"!.

  *** w60 7/15 444 staying awake with the "faithful and discreet slave" ***.

  at the 1958 divine will international assembly amazing advance information in connection with daniels prophecy was given about events to occur in the immediate future.

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  philo

  Hey Mac!

  You don't seem to offer much opinion, only chosen WT quotes. Are you a regular JW with Beroean sympathies who is protect his/her 6 O' clock by keeping schtum?

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  Leaving without losing

  by somebody in

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  good afternoon all,.

  after reading so many stories about people separating from their husbands/wives once the one of them stops attending meetings, i was wondering how someone could tell their spouse when they first starting learning the truth about the truth.

  i know there are couples who got out together on this board.

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  philo

  I agree with Mac's point, that people should only reveal themselves to their loved ones on subjects they can prove scripturally. Otherwise there is the likely perception that one's Internet-engrossed mate has become an uncritical disciple of apostates.

  The scriptures some carry weight, even for JWs.

  philo
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  DO THE GB HAVE A CONSCIENCE?

  by anglise in

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  as you read of all the "flip-flops" and the cover ups and even blatent lies that the gb has published throughout the years doesnt it make you wonder how they can do it.. if they really believe there is an all powerful being whom they represent how can they actively be so misleading and dishonest in full knowledge that he sees and knows what they are doing.. "9 for, as regards jehovah, his eyes are roving about through all the earth to show his strength in behalf of those whose heart is complete toward him.

  you have acted foolishly respecting this, for from now on there will exist wars against you.

  " 2 chron 16v9.

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  philo

  I think Ray Franz has explained this brilliantly. And he does not condemn the men in charge for the most part. The organisation is the real culprit and whatever vanity any leaders may have about their positions is not so important.

  I recommend anybody who condemns the GB reads Crisis of Conscience.

  philo