Posts by outoftheorg

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Can any one tell me ?

by Angry in

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why the hell did this crap make me like i am?

all the years of abuse going on.

i'm angry and very confused.

outoftheorg

Welcome Angry.

I know how you must be feeling. You have every right to be angry. After all you were damaged and hurt by a cult. A very severe and damaging and demanding cult.

We know how you must feel and we understand what you are saying and we have also been there.

Feel free to vent your anger towards the wbts here and remember, asking for help here is permitted and understood.

You may want to consider seeing a licensed counselor or psychologist at some point in your journey.

Believe me when I say that things will get better with time and a happy and healthy life is really possible.

Stick around and ask questions and join in on any post that intetests you.

Best wishes to you Angry.

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New Letter to all Congregations 5/16/2005

by TheListener in

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i just got a sneak peek at a letter to all congregations.

it will be read at this week's service meeting.

i can't remember it word for word but the gist is: .

outoftheorg

I wonder.

If this just might be the extra bundle of weight, that breaks the donkeys back.

I would not be surprised to see lots of jw's vote with their money and then with their feet.

This seems like the action of a corporation who is desperate. When their product is failing and their customers are dwindeling down and the income is following in the same downward direction.

I can recall my thoughts when I was an active jw and at that time I would look at this and get angry.

Then I would not donate a dollar more than the 4 or 5 $ that I usually put in the box "per month".

I was a cheap donner.

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Does God speak directly to GB today?

by Bambie in

it's been 15 years since i was df'd, but i seem to recall as a jw that the belief was that the only human after adam that jehovah spoke directly to was jesus.. my question has to do with what the org.

teaches regarding modern day communication with jehovah.

it was my understand when i was a jw, that the gb does not say that jehovah speaks directly to them.

outoftheorg

Spirit directed or spirit inspired.

When I was appointed as an elder, I knew the wbts talked about elders as spirit inspired or directed or some other silly comment.

Anyway I kept waiting for that spirit etc. to show up and direct me or inspire me.

Never happened.

Unless it was there when I decided to resign and never ever be an elder again.

A good part of my decision to resign, was the obvious lack of love or caring and a large amount of self importance, arrogance and mean actions in the elder meetings and some times by the elders in the congregation meetings.

Of course not all elders were that way. But those that were seemed to seek and achieve the good will of the wbts representatives.

I would have men that were in the ms position or even still a publisher only, approach me and ask me to tell them how to become an elder.

Such as, " should I move to another kingdom hall?" What do I have to do to attract the elders? I really want to be an elder, "what do I have to do"?

It was obvious the greed of self pride and seeking to be over or in control of others.

Of the ones that asked me these questions, none of them seemed to be concerned with helping or caring for the publishers.

The good and kind ones didn't have that attitude.

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Does God speak directly to GB today?

by Bambie in

it's been 15 years since i was df'd, but i seem to recall as a jw that the belief was that the only human after adam that jehovah spoke directly to was jesus.. my question has to do with what the org.

teaches regarding modern day communication with jehovah.

it was my understand when i was a jw, that the gb does not say that jehovah speaks directly to them.

outoftheorg

Always remember, that if you speak to God it is praying.

If God speaks to you it is schizophrenia.

If God "inspires them" why do they demand a two thirds majority when they vote on changes or additions to teachings?

This tells us that they often disagree with each other on these issues.

Does God inspire some to vote yes and some to vote no?

The governing body make many idiotic claims about themselves and God and the organization.

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My wife was scheduled to be perfect by now.

by garybuss in

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and i was scheduled to be either dead or petting lions.

something's messed up .

this message brought to you by the year 1957 and the word "maybe".

outoftheorg

Yeah a lot of us got that promise. Everlasting life in perfection, no illness, due any time now.

This all started for my mom in around 1920's 50 yrs later she died.

Me and my 2 sisters and 1 brother got the same promise.

Both sisters are dead now. Actually stopped talking to me about 14yrs ago.

For me they died 14 yrs ago.

Got an older brother stopped talking to me for the last 14 yrs.

For me he died 14 yrs ago.

But he is still alive and clings to the "I will be petting lions any day now" promise.

Those bastards at the wbts are due a just punishment. I intend to never die until I witness their downfall and I get to laugh hystericaly.

There are millions of people who were told this and they believed it to their death.

How sad.

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just got df'd

by susu812 in

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i am very nervous about being in here.

i just got df'd last week and am unsure of how i feel about it.

i feel guilty but at the same time not.

outoftheorg

Welcome to this forum SUSU.

It was hard for me to deal with being df'd and I felt that I had done no wrong.

It is wrong for what ever the cause and breaks families and marriages, usually when there is already enought sorrow and frustrations.

Feel free to tell us what ever you feel safe doing so. Probably a good idea to not reveal things like names or dates or anything that would let your relatives of other jw's recognize you.

Sorry to hear of this and if any advice needed, there are many here who have lived through their df'ing and will be of help.

Best wishes

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Out of rehab

by Cygnus in

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i was discharged today from the rehab center in the hospital.

there were 14 inpatients there and i was the least of their worries.

i would take 8-15 10/325 generic norco (think strong vicodin without too mcuh tylenol) a day and that's it.

outoftheorg

WOW this sounds like the shortest rehab effort on record.

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Just Checking In...

by AGuest in

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to send greetings to my dear ones here... and wish all peace!

i haven't been "around" much over the past year or so, unfortunately... here... or in life in general... due to work and studies (both full-time).

ummmmm... that's not entirely true: awhile ago, i asked to be "relieved" of my assignment here (as of january 2004), because, well, i was sick... and "tired.

outoftheorg

Hello Guest.

Good to hear from you.

Working to help the needy is something the world needs more of. Congratulations.

Diabetes is not something to be ignored, take care of your health or you won't be able to help others.

Best wishes to you.

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Should you keep a marriage together for the sake of the kids?

by Rod P in

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testing this thread.

tried three times already, but only get error message.. wow, this time it worked.

here goes.. there are a lot of people who feel very strongly that you should keep a marriage together at all costs for the sake of the kids, since they feel that children need both a mother and a father.

outoftheorg

ROD I went through a similar situation and I found that the use of wbts teachings "wife of a non believer Is still to be submissive" "regarding his head ship and the childrens religious teachings", depends upon the type of local elders and the wifes personality and attitude.

Some times it is successful and sometimes not.

Often times there is or are problems of another nature than the religious disagreements. This was the case in my situation. My now ex wife also had some emotional problems that had been kept hidden. These then burst upon the scene and caused emotional chaos for her and extreme anger.

I learned there are times when I cannot achieve the impossible.

I also learned that I can not be of any use to others if I don't take care of and protect and have love for myself.

I also learned that it is best for me and probably for others, that if I see something coming down the road of life, that I can not stop or change, it is best for everyone involved and especially me, that I do not just let it happen and then try to deal with the devastation.

It is best if I take action earlier than that and bring it all to an end. Then get on with my life and do the best I can to protect and raise and love my children.

This required my honest investigation of all issues I could call up and seeking the advice of others.

But the final choice had to be mine.

Unfortunatly I did not learn these things until the situation exploded. But it has been very useful from that time on.

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Is e-watchman trying to ape JW.com

by uriah in

i thought i would troll down to e-watchman and ended up at the greasy spoon 'paradise cafe' link then i was re-directed to e-jehovahs-witnesses.com.

now that he has at last got his self righteous come-uppance and been booted out of the brownies it looks like he is trying to be an alternative jw.com, but will fail just as his ramblings have failed him.

outoftheorg

Yeah Garry you aren't fooling any one. You and me, a couple of old geezers know how to get along.

I think you are doing ok and I think I am also.

I kinda use your strategy of DETATCH DETATCH from anyone who brings me grief. It works.

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