i've had good and bad days since stumbing onto jwd... and i've learned more in my short time here than in the last 20 years as an "active" and true to the bone...dub.... but today (tonight) i'm really sad... the tone of almost every thread i read has gotten "ugly".... i love "spirited" discussion, but this is different.
it feels like forum anarchy.. is there no yielding anymore...?.
maybe it was just too much happened today... or solar flares or something... i don't know...don't care.... maybe my new found "love" for my country (not the blind patriotic crap) and life coupled with the obvious animosity toward this love by some...well just bums me out.
U/D There is always going to be the super educated, informed, self righteous know it all.
Just like in kinder garden and the 12 th grade.
If you feel insulted, throw in some humor and " lightly " insult them back and then walk away.
Then tomorrow forget about it and enjoy being on this forum.
Life is too short to let ourselves suffer at the hands of another.
Don't take anything here too seriously.
By the way I like your humor and approach to things.
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just so we know you are alright and my sorrow to all that live in that country
I put off reading this thread because I thought there would be more info on here later.
I am worried since it seems there are many more not checking in.
Little toe and ones that are here almost every day.
I hope all goes well for out Brit friends.
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a good friend of mine got in big ass trouble for this..... photoshopped to remove his name.
if he gives me any more good pics- youll be the first to get em!
When I was an elder, if I were to see that I'd have a hell of time not rolling on the floor laughing.
Maybe that was why the other elders, most anyway, didn't like me .
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that we will not see the british version of certain american websites that popped up after 9/11.
weeping angels waving the union jack carrying fallen civilian 'heroes" into the arms of blonde jesus while bette midler midi's play.
Yeah what J B said.
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the following was posted at my guest list the other day, by a producer of a new documentary that is pro-witness and may go out on pbs.
i'm joel engardio, director of the project.
joel .
BTTT
the following was posted at my guest list the other day, by a producer of a new documentary that is pro-witness and may go out on pbs.
i'm joel engardio, director of the project.
joel .
I AM NOT SURE BUT THIS INFO MAY ALREADY HAVE BEEN POSTED.
IN CASE IT HAS NOT, HERE ARE SOME ADDRESSES REGARDING PUBLIC BROADCASTING.
I WAS TOLD THAT THIS ONE IS MORE INTERESTED IN THE "CONTENT" OF A PRODUCTION.
ITVS 501 YORK ST. SAN FRANCISCO CALIF. 94110 PHONE 415-356-8383 OR INTERNET WWW.ITVS.ORG
THIS ONE IS MORE INTERESTED IN THE FUNDING.
CPB 401 NORTH 9TH NW WDC PHONE 202 879 9600 OR 800 272 2190
OR INTERNET WWW.CPB.ORG
I spoke to the local office for Idaho public broadcasting and had a very interesting conversation with two gentlemen.
I spoke to them about the pedophile issue and the organ transplant issue and said that there are good and helpful parts to this religion, just like all religions.
But if there is to be an accurate description of this religion delivered to the viewers, another much darker side needs to be covered also.
Both of these gentlemen then became very helpful and interested in what I had to say.
I find this to be very satisfying for me.
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Is a kinder gb possible??
No it is not possible. They do not learn from their mistakes.
Look back at what they did with Ray Franz and a few other older men who they had lived and worked with.
Now look at the results of their actions. They have lost many influential people with first hand knowledge of the wbts. These people opened up and spilled out all the garbage they had lived in.
If they had treated the likes of Ray Franz with dignity and understanding, they would not have made such a dangerous foe out of Ray,
The gb is locked into the idea that beating the doubter and trying to demonize the doubter is the way to keep their position.
They do not have nor do they understand the concept of caring for and loving their neighbor.
They respect and care for and love no one. Not even their selves. If one does not love their self, they can not love anyone.
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psychoanalyzing the governing body and other high ranking ones from a distance.. i'm interested in some professional opinions on this, what makes these guys tick, what makes them perpetuate a fraud on the rest of jehovah's witnesses?.
i know some can be pretty dogmatic in these areas, lets not try to be, lets look at this thing from many angles.
even if your not a professional give your opinions.
When I look at the gb, I have to remind myself that there are others also involved.
Such as the writing dept. etc. I think that the gb and the other depts. are staffed with a rather odd or at least a slightly disturbed group of people.
Most normal people would not want this kind of life. In order to function and enjoy and stay with a group like this must have an effect on even those who are more normal.
Now we need to understand that these disturbed people have trapped them selves in a dominating cult of their own making. They begin to believe and base their lives on their own nonsense.
I have noticed that the few people from bethel I have known, seem to be quick to anger at the least indication of disrespect for THEIR cult. I also noticed a rather obvious feeling from them, of their being superior to me and others and again quick to anger if they felt challenged personally.
This activated my alarm system, warning me about these people. That there is something here that is not quite right. This I would quickly shut down, ie due to the cult training.
Since I have left and destroyed my connections to the cult, I have come to realize that their total lack of feelings towards the members and their generous use of punitive hateful actions against those with questions only, has caused me to believe that they have MADE THEMSELVES into a cult run by EVIL AND HATEFUL PEOPLE.
That suffer from delusions of grandure and power and heavenly guidance. Their initial mental or emotional problems just led them to a cult belief system that then multiplied their problems and put them into a position to use and enjoy their illness.
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thank you for letting me post this un-sent letter to my father.
i am writing this to voice my opinion; this is not open for discussion.
i find if upsetting that you feel its appropriate to invite my husband into your home and demean the religion he was brought up in, not only have you done that in your home but youve also done it in his home.
Since you pretty well stated your feelings about jw bull shit.
I find no reason to discuss this with you. Go ahead and send it.
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a thought worth mentioning about the venue i attended was the lack of sufficient sanitary facilties.
attendance on sunday was almost 10k.
of these, half were males.
Ah yes, The convention from hell. I remember it well.
I had just taken a much better job in another state. This was in 1978 and I was still upset with the 1975 foolishness.
I was an elder and had the letter of recomendation to deliver to the new congregation.
We were in the process of moving and still had kids at home. My now ex wife insisted we go to the assembly. It was in Canada and we were in Wyoming. I decided to take the camper and try to make it into a sort of vacation. That is why we went to Canada.
Got to the jw assigned campgrounds and it was awful. Then it started to rain and it was also muddy and the kids were grumpy.
Went to the first day of the assembly and it was in a terrible situation. Poor parking, over crowded, and dark inside. The jw's had part of the building and some rock band had the other.
The separating wall consisted of a very thick curtain that could be brought out by electric controls.
This wall would dampen most of the noise, except for that damned drum.
After about an hour or so, I leaned over to my wife and said " tell the kids to pick up their stuff and we are getting out of here and going home.
I received no argument against leaving and we packed up and went camping.
After arriving at our new home I also told the local elders that I would not accept the position of elder in this new congregation and started my slow fade.
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PS there was an internal struggle in this new congregation and I was being solicited as the elder that would break the draw that existed. 3 elders on one side and 3 on the other.
One elder was waiting for me when we got home. I told him that I would no longer be an elder and it upset him so badly that he sold his house and moved out of the area.
So the issue they fought over must have been very important, right?
Yes it was, an elder had taken some useless old theater seats to the dump without the permission of the other group of 3 and for some reason this issue took precedent over anything the elder body should have been involved in, like taking care of the flock.
My fade accelerated.
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