Posts by UnshackleTheChains

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Favorite Quotations from Movies

by compound complex in

"the way you walked was thorny, through no fault of your own, but as the rain enters the soil, the river enters the sea, so tears run to a predestined end.

now you will have peace for eternity.

" -- maleva, the wolf man.

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'I'm Spartacus'

https://youtu.be/FKCmyiljKo0

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Watchtower illogic

by Vanderhoven7 in

there are a number of things i find that defy logic when it come to watchtower religion.

here is a list...please feel free to add/subtract from it.

a. blood prohibitions: .

UnshackleTheChains

You are not allowed to celebrate a joyous occasion such the anniversary date of your child's birth (birthdays).

Yet no where in the Bible does it prohibit birthdays, not even in mosaic law.

Yet we can celebrate wedding anniversaries and wear our pagan wedding bands?

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Watchtower illogic

by Vanderhoven7 in

there are a number of things i find that defy logic when it come to watchtower religion.

here is a list...please feel free to add/subtract from it.

a. blood prohibitions: .

UnshackleTheChains

Bible: Every eye will see Jesus coming on the clouds.

Watchtower: Every eye won't see Jesus coming on the clouds.

What is meant by his ‘coming on the clouds’ and ‘every eye seeing him’?

Rev. 1:7: “Look! He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, and those who pierced him; and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief because of him.” (Also Matthew 24:30; Mark 13:26; Luke 21:27)

What is indicated by “clouds”? Invisibility. When an airplane is in a thick cloud or above the clouds, people on the ground usually cannot see it, although they may hear the roar of the engines. Jehovah told Moses: “I am coming to you in a dark cloud.” Moses did not see God, but that cloud indicated Jehovah’s invisible presence. (Ex. 19:9; see also Leviticus 16:2;Numbers 11:25.) If Christ were to appear visibly in the heavens, it is obvious that not “every eye” would see him. If he appeared over Australia, for example, he would not be visible in Europe, Africa, and the Americas, would he?

In what sense will ‘every eye see him’? They will discern from events on earth that he is invisibly present. Also referring to sight that is not physical, John 9:41 reports: “Jesus said to [the Pharisees]: ‘If you were blind, you would have no sin. But now you say, “We see.” Your sin remains.’” (Compare Romans 1:20.) Following Christ’s return, some persons show faith; they recognize the sign of his presence. Others reject the evidence, but when Christ goes into action as God’s executioner of the wicked, even they will discern from the manifestation of his power that the destruction is not from men but from heaven. They will know what is happening because they were warned in advance. Because of what is overtaking them, they will “beat themselves in grief

New Living Translation Matthew 24:30
And then at last, the sign that the Son of Man is coming will appear in the heavens, and there will be deep mourning among all the peoples of the earth. And they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory

Are JW.org not aware of TV news reports?

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Watchtower illogic

by Vanderhoven7 in

there are a number of things i find that defy logic when it come to watchtower religion.

here is a list...please feel free to add/subtract from it.

a. blood prohibitions: .

UnshackleTheChains

That Jesus is not the mediator of all men. That Jesus is mediator to the anointed ones only.

Yet 1 Tim 2:5 says

one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

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Who is "The" Creator ? Jehovah or Jesus ?

by smiddy3 in

is jehovah the creator ?.

apparently jehovah created the "word" or "logos" ( jesus).

and he never created anything else according to bible scripture.. however the first born of creation the logos /jesus was used to create everything else in the material world.. so then isn`t jesus also a creator ?.

UnshackleTheChains

Hi Smiddy,

I personally believe it was Yahweh God.

I am still in two minds about Jesus pre existence. I am currently reading some books by J Dan Gill and Anthony Buzzard on this subject.

Here is a short video by Anthony Buzzard regarding 'the word' in John chapter 1.

https://youtu.be/nFcIFum3wz0

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October 10, 2017 TO ALL CONGREGATIONS Re: Branch Relocation Newsletter (UK)

by wifibandit in

october 10, 2017 to all congregations re: branch relocation—newsletter.

britain branch relocation project edition 6 autumn 2017.

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When they sell on this piece of real estate, I hope they sell it to Willy Wonka or Cadburys. It would make a great chocolate factory with high production in a central location 😝

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Many Witnesses are just plain tired out!

by UnshackleTheChains in

i believe that many witnesses are tired out or at least tiring out.

i know....... because i am tired out!.

imagine going to college for 20 years not knowing when college is finished.

UnshackleTheChains

In my last congregation there were 22 who, by their own admission, were depressed

There is an elderly sister in our hall I try to avoid. She constantly focuses on the gloomy side of life. Because I am considered weak spiritually. She looks at me with her little sad eyes and asks in a very sad voice ' oh how are you? Are you ok? Were you unwell? Yadayada

Then she will continue ...'the system is getting worse' ' you just know that Jehovah's going intervene soon etc etc. The sad eyes getting more intense.

How often I want to tell her I feel absolutely wonderful. I am part of the awake class and am fed up with the BS we are given week in and week out. The only time I feel down is when I am in this freaking hall wishing to get home and that the only reason I am there is purely for social reasons.

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Many Witnesses are just plain tired out!

by UnshackleTheChains in

i believe that many witnesses are tired out or at least tiring out.

i know....... because i am tired out!.

imagine going to college for 20 years not knowing when college is finished.

UnshackleTheChains

At least in part, he helped me begin the process of waking up

In regards to waking up. Isn't it amazing how many of us find it so difficult to wake our relatives up and see what we can clearly see.

It reminds me of 'the cave' by Plato. No matter how hard you try, our relatives and friends think we have been overtaken by Satan and they continue to 'look' to the GB.

https://youtu.be/69F7GhASOdM

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Many Witnesses are just plain tired out!

by UnshackleTheChains in

i believe that many witnesses are tired out or at least tiring out.

i know....... because i am tired out!.

imagine going to college for 20 years not knowing when college is finished.

UnshackleTheChains

I believe that many witnesses are tired out or at least tiring out. I know....... because I am tired out!

Imagine going to college for 20 years not knowing when college is finished. Constantly studying the same stuff over and over in the same boring way. Getting no thanks for all your efforts.

Couple that with the age of the internet and all the negative exposure Watchtower is receiving ....enough said.

Though faith is important. Many need their faith. The repressive rules, teachings and routines of the watchtower society sets people up to fail. . Gradually over the years many simply tire out; or in some cases when individuals find they can't jump high enough, they give up.

Your thoughts?

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Who has a harder time leaving JW's - Born Ins or those who converted?

by HeyLittleGirl in

my freind (who is also out) and i were talking about this the other night.

i was a born-in, 3rd generation jw and she converted when she was in her late 20's.. when she left, she said that she knew the world wasn't as bad as she was told as a jw, so she knew she would be fine.

also, she still had lots of "worldly" family who welcomed her back with open arms.. it was harder for me - i had nobody in the "world", no family or freinds.

UnshackleTheChains

For born ins it must be difficult given that so many relatives may be involved. From the many you tube videos, most appear to be born ins expressing their anger and frustration.

For those who were converted like myself, it depends on how long you have been in the religion, also if you marry into a family that has a large number of members involved; or if you have kids that grow up and they have kids etc, then things can get pretty sticky.

For me things are sticky. I have been trying to work a way out of this religion, but would turn my families world upside down if I got it wrong. Whats more I have an over zealous mother who would shun me at the drop of a hat and told me so herself re the loyalty card.