Posts by JakeM2012

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About 3 months ago

by badboy in

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i was laying on my bed(iminage the scene).

ouch!

JakeM2012

From the looks of her description, it looks like she did see you.

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The start of Armageddon

by Armageddon-Messenger in

hi everyone:.

i am armageddon messenger, the one that jesus said he would send to tell "you" the things coming.-john 16:12-14. .

as it should be expected, the governing body of jw's are not willing and will not accept me as a "prophet" because according to them, jehovah only communicates trough them.... .

JakeM2012

My family has been strung along since 1918 about the end. I could care less when armageddon comes; don't you get it, god said that is his business not ours.

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No more 3-day DCs starting in 2013?

by respectful_observer in

apologies if there is another recent thread on this, but i have heard from 4 different people in 3 different geographic areas (including someone who does advance work for the dcs), that beginning in 2013 the three day dc program will be replaced by a second two-day circuit assembly.

some people were passing the info along like a secret, others seemed to think that everyone already knew.. if everyone in j-dub land is already talking about this, how is it not all over this forum??.

anyway, can anyone confirm or deny?.

JakeM2012

I had heard from one quick build worker that they were finishing up the remods on the halls this year. Attention was then to be turned to building assembly halls.

Many jw's will split the assemblies and conventions up now into sessions or days.

As far as the money jw's bring into the convention cities is debateable. Other than hotels, many still don't spend much money while at a convention.

Perhaps they will start having to pay for parking to wt at the assembly halls. Wt has always been upset about how much revenue the parking lots get. Recently, around here they moved the convention at the last minute because the parking lots wanted $2 or $3 more per car for the 3 day convention. Wt moved the convention and the rank and file drove another 45 minutes to some other cheap place.

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The great unanswered question - WHO chose the Governing Body to serve as representatives?

by cedars in

who is the governing body?.

put simply, the governing body purports to be a small group of anointed men (currently numbering 7) who represent a much larger group (numbering the thousands) of anointed individuals living on earth today.

in nearly every reference to their position of oversight over the worldwide brotherhood, the governing body refer to themselves as being representatives.... .

JakeM2012

It used to irritate me that brothers would pray for holy spirit on the governing body when they meet on Wednesday. If God were with them on Wednesday they should have a glowing face like Moses had after talking to God.

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Strollers at DC

by InquiryMan in

if i understand it correctly, strollers are not allowed at us conventions.. in sweden, a letter was written to the congregation, introducing this new rule.

however, quite a few families wrote letters to the society,.

asking if they wanted families with children to attend the assemblies or not... it was stated that they would not go unless strollers were allowed.. the society pulled back, allowing strollers in designated areas.. in norway, they didn t even bother to introduce the rule in the first place... .

JakeM2012

Since stollers are not welcome and having the experience of holding an infant for 3 days in the entrance way of a sports stadium, my thought is:

Option 1: "Screw the assembly, stay at a hotel that is kid friendly (preferrably not on the list of Motel 6's), must have a pool (age appropriate), send husband over to pick up releases. Go shopping and tell the husband you expect a dinner at a high class restuarant, and hire a baby sitter for an hour and a half.

Option 2: Rent a motorhome and stay in it during the sessions with the kids and listen to the program on 98.3 FM while watching Veggie Tales and enjoying the AC, refrigerated drinks, and lack of lines for the restroom. Return to 5 star Hotel room, tell the husband you expect a dinner at a high class resturant (you deserve it) hire a baby sitter for an hour and a half. Oh, don't wear the damn convention badge.

Option 3: Just book a hotel on Hotels.com even if it is in the city you live and not in the city of the convention, forget the assembly, take a break, enjoy your family communicating together, go to the aquarium, zoo, pool, beach, children's discovery, enjoy 5:00 p.m. drinks, dinner at 7:00, orchestra, and breakfast etc. Sleep in late, have room service, Return home on Sunday-Monday, and feel the spirit giving you renewed strength. Comment at the convention review part that it was the best convention you have attended, but there were too many good points to recall just one. (If you have children they will believe you)

Bingo; any beautiful "sisters" with kids want to go to an assembly with me "my style". I do have more ideas.:)

Just saying...

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-08-2012 WT Study (GIFT MARRIAGE)

by blondie in

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do you plan to apply in your life?.

the world book encyclopedia: a man and woman.

jw parents are allowed to request a bride price for their daughters..... .

JakeM2012

Thank you Blondie, I appreciate your dedication on WT comments, excellent review week after week. I can imagine that you probably don't get called on much.

Paragraph 1 read:

"How happy the first man, Adam, was to receive

a wife! No wonder he waxed poetic! After Jehovah

had caused Adamto fall into a deep sleep, He

created this beautiful woman fromone of the man’s

ribs.Adamlater named her Eve"

Bondie or anyone, can you explain what "waxed poetic" means. I've looked in the dictionary under the definition of waxed and find nothing appropriate, I have never heard this expression before, (perhaps I am naive?) I wonder how this was translated.

I was just wondering how my fleshly brother handled this article serving as the wt study conductor in the local congregation while serving at Bethel. Recently his wife divorced him (Yes, there are several that have expressed concern about his acceptance at bethel shortly after her divorce and his attending the congregation of his former wife.) I imagine there were a lot of "let's read the next paragraph's" going on.

Of course, we are not questioning the appointment of elders, we would never do that.

But then what do I care, he has always been a self-serving and selfish jerk that cares nothing about other people including his former wife.

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WT Q&A Study Method

by leaving_quietly in

for years, i've never understood why we read a paragraph, ask a question, and then recite what we just read in the paragraph, and at the wt study, it's an hour long period of severe boredom because, well, how many times can we recite the same stuff over and over?

even new ones who come in have been baffled at this method of teaching.

i have a theory, though.. however, i just read the "what is sacred service?

JakeM2012

Before I started my fade, we had moved to a new congregation. If someone's comment was not word for word from the paragraph, the conductor would ask the question again until it was read word for word. At the time I thought it was just a local thing.

I have never parroted the paragraph and I noticed that the conductors stopped calling on me. I would hold my hand up with the WT in hand like a flag when no one else had theirs up, and the conductor would look around until the sister that had already commented 12 times would hold her hand up and he would call on her.

Conductor couldn't see me with wt in hand, but they could see the hand of someone in the glass room in the back with no lights on. It was if I was the invisible man; then I really did become the invisible man. (at least in attending the meetings)

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Avoid Testing God in Your Heart - transcript of talk from District Convention 2012

by wannabefree in

for those who don't care to listen to the talk but would like to know what was said ... here ya go .... .

avoid testing god in your heart.

imagine the ancient israelites as they were slaves in egypt, under an oppressive pharaoh.. god brought nine plagues on egypt and then announced a tenth; the firstborn would be struck down.. can you imagine the cry that went out in egypt when the firstborn died, including pharaoh's own son?.

JakeM2012

"For instance: How do we feel when there is counsel or direction on how we should view higher education? Jehovah's Organization is very clear on this subject, but have we taken a stand, like the world around us, and, reasoned in our minds that that's the only way that we can have a secure future, even if I have to sacrifice my spirituality, higher education is really the way to go? "

Interesting that in the mid 1990's "jehovah's organization was very clear about education, printing an article headed, "what is the bibles view"? about higher education. I thought, "finally someone in Brooklyn has got some sense."

For the last 10 years each circuit assembly and district convention is a higher education bashing. Seeking a degree to be a licensed engineer? Bad! Bad! Bad! What they are really fearful of is the "critical thinking" process learned. Once the mind is expanded through knowledge it can never return to former capabilities.

Wife read an article in the news that claimed by 2018 that 2/3 of all jobs will have to have some advanced education. Their view of education is what got me disgusted enough to start investigation of teachings that I thought that I knew and understood.

This is further evidence that they are circling the wagons.

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MY FIRST POST

by dazed but not confused in

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JakeM2012

Welcome, I can appreciate the pain you have in the situation. The congregation is not prepared or educated to deal with alcohol abuse. 2 years is great! You should be proud.

I believe the drinking in the org is to quiet down the inner voice telling you that something is wrong with your beliefs. Once you trust yourself and don't look to an org or men for the answer, the drinking subsides. Welcome again.

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Latest convention brochure on,,, the Governing Body

by cedars in

i've finally get my hands on a pdf of one of the two newly released brochures, this one entitled "who are doing jehovah's will today?".

here's a link so you can download your own copy.... http://www66.zippyshare.com/v/98881625/file.html.

predictably, the brochure is extremely vague on key topics.

JakeM2012

Acts 15: Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.

Listening to Fred Franz talk in 1975 at the Gilead graduation, he emphasized that the incorrect teaching of circumcision came from Judea. Paul and Barnabas were sent by the congregation in Antioch to go to Jerusalem to straighten out the incorrect teaching. After hearing the discussion James said 19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God".

Basically, the Christian Jews from Judea that came to Antioch had their teaching questioned or challenged. Paul and Barnabas from Antioch handled correcting the Jews in a nice way.

The following is from Ashbury Bible Commentary:

A. The Nature of the Issue (15:1–5)

The crucial question was whether Christianity was understood as the heart and center of Judaism or whether Judaism was the center out of which Christianity emerged. In the first perspective it was obvious, since Christianity was a central circle within the larger circle of Judaism, that those outside the circle of Judaism must first become Jews before they could become Christians. In brief, Christianity was subsumed under the larger context of Judaism. It was the representatives of the strength of Judaism, the Pharisees, who held this view. In the second perspective, however, it was just as obvious, since Christianity was the larger circle within which Judaism was encompassed, that Gentiles came into the new covenant community the same way as Jews, through faith in Jesus as Messiah. As Luke notes, This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. It is to be noted that Paul and Barnabas prepare for their encounter in Jerusalem by telling how the Gentiles had been converted.

B. The Jerusalem Council (15:6–29)

Luke provides us only the focus of the council, which centers on a brief summary of Peter's presentation (vv. 7-11) and James's decision (vv. 13-21). Peter recalls the conversion of Cornelius, the God-fearer, focusing on the fact that God cleansed the heart by faith and gave the Holy Spirit. While Peter lifts up the crucial issue, he implies that Gentile equals God-fearer. James sees this as a point of compromise, since the Jerusalem church has already acknowledged the work of God with Cornelius (11:18). James's decision is that Gentiles who come to faith are to observe the minimum requirements that were placed upon God-fearers to enable them to worship with the Jewish community (v. 20). In other words, Gentiles did not have to become proselytes (and be circumcised), but they did have to become God-fearers and thus be brought within the widest possible boundary of Judaism.

The Jerusalem church and the representatives from Antioch sense this is of the Holy Spirit (v. 28), although the issue is not resolved, as history shows. The circumcision party obviously saw this as a bare minimum requirement and continued to press Gentiles toward the stricter requirements of the Law of Moses. Paul and his followers obviously saw this as an unrealistic maximum requirement that was itself questionable at some points (1Co 8). From this point, the Christian movement moved down two different roads: Paul leading the majority movement into gentile Christianity, Jewish Christians leading a minority into gradual extinction. (Maybe this is where the "Governing Body" of jw's is leading the congregations)