Posts by JakeM2012

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Any new light on windows in the KH

by jam in

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remodeling is being done on the kh in my area.. friends have come to me inquiring about the remodeling.. it,s been two months.

first they ask , why no windows.. i told them some kh have windows.

soon after windows.

JakeM2012

"This could be due to the fact that they built in a subdivision that has restrictions and may have been forced to put them in."

This is a valid point. Quick build standardized plans do not come with windows. I'm alittle rusty on this, but the local elders (congregation) have to ask for them. In one city in Texas the brothers took the standardized quick build plans to the city to get a building permit. The city denied the permit, said the congregation must hire an architect, structural engineer, and comply with building code. Architecturally the code reads that every x number of feet there will be a column, corner, window, or other architectual feature. The city further told RBC, "your not building an ugly box in this city".

Of course the QB brothers were arrogant and difficult trying to push the matter, but the city won. Cities now have master planners and are trying to build more aesthetically pleasing buildings in the community. I can see their frustration. What if someone wanted to build an ugly house next to yours?

In rural areas the standardized plans are just built with little regard to building a beautiful building. David and Solomon would be ashamed.

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Capitulation: When?

by metatron in

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it is commonly a human tendency to see your enemies/opponents as somehow bestial, subhuman, stupid and the like.

so, i hesitate to simply 'write off' the governing body as utter fools, senile, drunk, arrogant beyond logic, or lost in 2012 as the representatives of a 19th century religion.. nonetheless, it's simply hard to believe that they can fail to notice the intensifying confluence of negative trends and decline that surrounds them.

food service?

JakeM2012

There does appear to be an unwinding of the organization.

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About 3 months ago

by badboy in

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i was laying on my bed(iminage the scene).

ouch!

JakeM2012

From the looks of her description, it looks like she did see you.

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The start of Armageddon

by Armageddon-Messenger in

hi everyone:.

i am armageddon messenger, the one that jesus said he would send to tell "you" the things coming.-john 16:12-14. .

as it should be expected, the governing body of jw's are not willing and will not accept me as a "prophet" because according to them, jehovah only communicates trough them.... .

JakeM2012

My family has been strung along since 1918 about the end. I could care less when armageddon comes; don't you get it, god said that is his business not ours.

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No more 3-day DCs starting in 2013?

by respectful_observer in

apologies if there is another recent thread on this, but i have heard from 4 different people in 3 different geographic areas (including someone who does advance work for the dcs), that beginning in 2013 the three day dc program will be replaced by a second two-day circuit assembly.

some people were passing the info along like a secret, others seemed to think that everyone already knew.. if everyone in j-dub land is already talking about this, how is it not all over this forum??.

anyway, can anyone confirm or deny?.

JakeM2012

I had heard from one quick build worker that they were finishing up the remods on the halls this year. Attention was then to be turned to building assembly halls.

Many jw's will split the assemblies and conventions up now into sessions or days.

As far as the money jw's bring into the convention cities is debateable. Other than hotels, many still don't spend much money while at a convention.

Perhaps they will start having to pay for parking to wt at the assembly halls. Wt has always been upset about how much revenue the parking lots get. Recently, around here they moved the convention at the last minute because the parking lots wanted $2 or $3 more per car for the 3 day convention. Wt moved the convention and the rank and file drove another 45 minutes to some other cheap place.

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The great unanswered question - WHO chose the Governing Body to serve as representatives?

by cedars in

who is the governing body?.

put simply, the governing body purports to be a small group of anointed men (currently numbering 7) who represent a much larger group (numbering the thousands) of anointed individuals living on earth today.

in nearly every reference to their position of oversight over the worldwide brotherhood, the governing body refer to themselves as being representatives.... .

JakeM2012

It used to irritate me that brothers would pray for holy spirit on the governing body when they meet on Wednesday. If God were with them on Wednesday they should have a glowing face like Moses had after talking to God.

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Strollers at DC

by InquiryMan in

if i understand it correctly, strollers are not allowed at us conventions.. in sweden, a letter was written to the congregation, introducing this new rule.

however, quite a few families wrote letters to the society,.

asking if they wanted families with children to attend the assemblies or not... it was stated that they would not go unless strollers were allowed.. the society pulled back, allowing strollers in designated areas.. in norway, they didn t even bother to introduce the rule in the first place... .

JakeM2012

Since stollers are not welcome and having the experience of holding an infant for 3 days in the entrance way of a sports stadium, my thought is:

Option 1: "Screw the assembly, stay at a hotel that is kid friendly (preferrably not on the list of Motel 6's), must have a pool (age appropriate), send husband over to pick up releases. Go shopping and tell the husband you expect a dinner at a high class restuarant, and hire a baby sitter for an hour and a half.

Option 2: Rent a motorhome and stay in it during the sessions with the kids and listen to the program on 98.3 FM while watching Veggie Tales and enjoying the AC, refrigerated drinks, and lack of lines for the restroom. Return to 5 star Hotel room, tell the husband you expect a dinner at a high class resturant (you deserve it) hire a baby sitter for an hour and a half. Oh, don't wear the damn convention badge.

Option 3: Just book a hotel on Hotels.com even if it is in the city you live and not in the city of the convention, forget the assembly, take a break, enjoy your family communicating together, go to the aquarium, zoo, pool, beach, children's discovery, enjoy 5:00 p.m. drinks, dinner at 7:00, orchestra, and breakfast etc. Sleep in late, have room service, Return home on Sunday-Monday, and feel the spirit giving you renewed strength. Comment at the convention review part that it was the best convention you have attended, but there were too many good points to recall just one. (If you have children they will believe you)

Bingo; any beautiful "sisters" with kids want to go to an assembly with me "my style". I do have more ideas.:)

Just saying...

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 07-08-2012 WT Study (GIFT MARRIAGE)

by blondie in

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do you plan to apply in your life?.

the world book encyclopedia: a man and woman.

jw parents are allowed to request a bride price for their daughters..... .

JakeM2012

Thank you Blondie, I appreciate your dedication on WT comments, excellent review week after week. I can imagine that you probably don't get called on much.

Paragraph 1 read:

"How happy the first man, Adam, was to receive

a wife! No wonder he waxed poetic! After Jehovah

had caused Adamto fall into a deep sleep, He

created this beautiful woman fromone of the man’s

ribs.Adamlater named her Eve"

Bondie or anyone, can you explain what "waxed poetic" means. I've looked in the dictionary under the definition of waxed and find nothing appropriate, I have never heard this expression before, (perhaps I am naive?) I wonder how this was translated.

I was just wondering how my fleshly brother handled this article serving as the wt study conductor in the local congregation while serving at Bethel. Recently his wife divorced him (Yes, there are several that have expressed concern about his acceptance at bethel shortly after her divorce and his attending the congregation of his former wife.) I imagine there were a lot of "let's read the next paragraph's" going on.

Of course, we are not questioning the appointment of elders, we would never do that.

But then what do I care, he has always been a self-serving and selfish jerk that cares nothing about other people including his former wife.

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WT Q&A Study Method

by leaving_quietly in

for years, i've never understood why we read a paragraph, ask a question, and then recite what we just read in the paragraph, and at the wt study, it's an hour long period of severe boredom because, well, how many times can we recite the same stuff over and over?

even new ones who come in have been baffled at this method of teaching.

i have a theory, though.. however, i just read the "what is sacred service?

JakeM2012

Before I started my fade, we had moved to a new congregation. If someone's comment was not word for word from the paragraph, the conductor would ask the question again until it was read word for word. At the time I thought it was just a local thing.

I have never parroted the paragraph and I noticed that the conductors stopped calling on me. I would hold my hand up with the WT in hand like a flag when no one else had theirs up, and the conductor would look around until the sister that had already commented 12 times would hold her hand up and he would call on her.

Conductor couldn't see me with wt in hand, but they could see the hand of someone in the glass room in the back with no lights on. It was if I was the invisible man; then I really did become the invisible man. (at least in attending the meetings)

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Avoid Testing God in Your Heart - transcript of talk from District Convention 2012

by wannabefree in

for those who don't care to listen to the talk but would like to know what was said ... here ya go .... .

avoid testing god in your heart.

imagine the ancient israelites as they were slaves in egypt, under an oppressive pharaoh.. god brought nine plagues on egypt and then announced a tenth; the firstborn would be struck down.. can you imagine the cry that went out in egypt when the firstborn died, including pharaoh's own son?.

JakeM2012

"For instance: How do we feel when there is counsel or direction on how we should view higher education? Jehovah's Organization is very clear on this subject, but have we taken a stand, like the world around us, and, reasoned in our minds that that's the only way that we can have a secure future, even if I have to sacrifice my spirituality, higher education is really the way to go? "

Interesting that in the mid 1990's "jehovah's organization was very clear about education, printing an article headed, "what is the bibles view"? about higher education. I thought, "finally someone in Brooklyn has got some sense."

For the last 10 years each circuit assembly and district convention is a higher education bashing. Seeking a degree to be a licensed engineer? Bad! Bad! Bad! What they are really fearful of is the "critical thinking" process learned. Once the mind is expanded through knowledge it can never return to former capabilities.

Wife read an article in the news that claimed by 2018 that 2/3 of all jobs will have to have some advanced education. Their view of education is what got me disgusted enough to start investigation of teachings that I thought that I knew and understood.

This is further evidence that they are circling the wagons.