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  New here

  by Brainfloss in

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  2. experiences

  well,i have been lurking here for a couple of years.

  i was babtized at 16 for all of the wrong reasons and when i moved out after highschool i really never looked back, although i suppose i always thought it was the truth.

  at 36 i met the love of my life.

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  JakeM2012

  Welcome to the forum. I can sympathize with you about the family shunning.
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  Disfunctional families of JW's

  by JakeM2012 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this past summer has been rewarding and distressful, as some would say, it has been bitter sweet.

  my wife finished her degree and is now working at a hospital, (as a janitor cleaning windows), lol.

  oh, we also live in a van down by the river!.

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  JakeM2012

  Aroq, says, "Why do you owe it to anyone to DF or DA? What good will that do for you? not much I presume. The only thing it will do is give other's a reason to behave a certain way. Why should you make that decision for them on how they treat you? Isn't that for them to decide based on their own morals and beliefs?"

  Aroq, you bring up great points, and thanks for the encouragement, really, I shouldn't feel compelled to play by their rules. (edited)
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  Disfunctional families of JW's

  by JakeM2012 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this past summer has been rewarding and distressful, as some would say, it has been bitter sweet.

  my wife finished her degree and is now working at a hospital, (as a janitor cleaning windows), lol.

  oh, we also live in a van down by the river!.

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  JakeM2012

  This past summer has been rewarding and distressful, as some would say, it has been bitter sweet. My wife finished her degree and is now working at a hospital, (as a janitor cleaning windows), LoL. Oh, we also live in a van down by the river!

  Earlier this year I finished my last course and will soon have a bachelors degree in Business Administration. My original goal 30+ years ago was in engineering. Wifee, has said that once she is earning the "big" bucks, she would work while I get the degree I wanted. All I can say, is "What a wife"! For her to even mention returning the favor It must be love.

  I left my home town nearly a decade ago, like the cowboy slowing riding into the sunset, and hopefully I have been forgotten. I am not disassociated nor disfellowshipped. I moved away and did a radical fade.

  Recently my anxiety is family slowly finding out that me nor my family are doing anything about the "truth". Recently, I told you all about a conversation I had with a relative going on a motorcycle trip. He took everything alright, and has been in close association pretty much (for someone living in another town.) I think I may have an unconditional friend.?? To recall, I mentioned the many dates that ended up with no armeggedon, including in my lifetime 1975, the generation of 1914, and WTBTS's involvement with the United Nations being an NGO for over 10 years.

  Recently, My wife's mom had written an email about her attending meetings and not leaving Jehovah. Just that little admonition wrecked havoc on my wife's emotional stability for a bit, and I thought for a while that wifee would begin going to the meetings again just to appease her mom.

  Recently, I had a friend call my wife thinking that was my number, (rigggghhhhttttt), and told my wife how my mother was worried about me because she didn't know if I was going to the meetings, Oh, he also mentioned that mom said that I "didn't want anything to do with my mother". My wife corrected him saying that I have tried to call mom several times, but she won't return the call after repeatedly leaving messages on her home phone and cell phone.

  Interesting part of the JW dysfunctional family, is that after Dad died, my older brother has taken emotional and informational control over my mom and she has believed his lies, especially about me and my family. After a decade of being in the bethel environment it's interesting what he took away from that group.....for twently points: How to lie! Yes. His posturing is all for the money the family had, he is unsuccessful in business, basically an ex-bethelite looser, sponging off of mom, living in her house, and probably using most of her social security payments, do I need to say more?

  So in all the lies that were fed to my mom, older brother did a wonderful job of a character assasination of Jake. I never had a problem with my mother before my dad's death, but shortly after Dad's funeral, the relationship with mom went south. It took me four years and my wife standing up for me to the family to figure out that it had been a carefully planned four year character assasination.

  Mom blamed every accumulated bad thing in life on me, I think from 1958, and after SHE blew up on me, enticed the elders to empose a "congregational restraining order". Everyone that knows me knows that I'm pretty even keel easy going guy. As serving as an elder, I never knew the elders had this authority to impose a family restraining order, I must have missed that chapter in the shepperding book. When the elders talked to me about it I was polite and then went and talked to my lawyer, who wrote a butt slapping letter to each elder individually. However, unfortuneatly, and to my regret, I didn't send the letters.

  Instead, I wrote a card telling Mom that I was sorry that our friendship had suffered and that I appologized for any misunderstandings but that we needed to move on, and she responded to me with a note saying that I needed to contact the body of elders to see if THEY felt it was a "good idea" to reconcile. This is from a women that I did all the maintenance on her house, (and it was a hell of a estate and property,) with pools, 5 car garage, acreage, water wells, etc.

  One of the things the lawyer was adamante about was that "religious orders" were supposed to help families reconcile differences, and help them apply "Bible" principles to remediate the problems or difficulties. Churches are not supposed to issue "restraining orders". This "worldly lawyer", who I will say was a friend, was furious with the organization when I originally discussed this problem.

  So now I have a mom throwing rocks at me from over a 1000 miles away that hasn't seen me in nearly a decade and hasn't talked with me in over a year. A sister that tells me that I should go back to the meetings so that I can see Dad (deceased) again. (Motivation by fear and guilt.) A MIL asking about our meeting attendance, and a sister in law asking the same, wondering why.

  While not disfellowshiped or disassociated I sometimes think it would be an answer in a diffinitive way. I just wanted to vent.
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  The Definition of Insanity: LOYALTY TO THE GOVERNING BODY

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the definition of insanity boils down to expecting success by repeating actions which cause failure.. .

  jehovah's witnesses are expected to prove their loyalty to the organization by believing and practicing what they are told.. does this lead to success or failure?.

  ask the thousands of loyal believers who were led to expect armageddon in 1914, 1925, 1975!.

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  JakeM2012

  Terry, great questions as to why people continue to put trust in the governing body (or watchtower BTS) with the total failure rate that they have sustained for over 130 years. WTBTS has sustained a 130 year snipe hunt! Unbelievable!

  What logical reason is there to put faith in anything they say, print, or even alude to? Their ponzi scheme is greater than Berni Madoff's, but unfortuneately no one is going to jail.
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  Depression amongst JWs

  by tornapart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone seen this post on facebook?

  the comments below it are staggering!

  so many suffering from depression... along with the few judgementalists.

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  JakeM2012

  Julia, I couldn't have said it better. One of the last district conventions I went to had three + hours telling you how you could not trust you own thoughts, "the heart is desperate, who can know it" scripture. After hours of telling you this, then they had two and a half days of telling you that you needed to listen to the GB. Unbelievable.

  JO, I appreciate your comments. Your right on.
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  Depression amongst JWs

  by tornapart in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  has anyone seen this post on facebook?

  the comments below it are staggering!

  so many suffering from depression... along with the few judgementalists.

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  JakeM2012

  When I served in different Bethels around the world, a common denominator of the morning worship was that it was never encouraging. You were reminded of how your inner most thoughts were sinful, you weren't ever good enough. If you felt accomplishment in your bethel work, that was a worldly feeling, you are a "good for nothing slave" and you should have done the work anyway. If you felt accomplishment in the local congregation, you weren't sent there to work in the congregation. What ever you did, it was never enough, you were a pathetic slave, who the Branch had to put up with, and you should do more and ask way less, be content with the crapy meals and judgemental attitude.

  Believe me, I saw people depressed while working at different branches, and I'm included. God I'm glad I've left.
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  Ladies, How Big Is Your Diamond Engagement Ring?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i notice a trend that suggests that many ladies either have a one carat or bigger diamond ring or much smaller if any.. do you have a diamond ring and if you do, what size carat is it?

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  JakeM2012

  "4 Cs-- Color, Cut, Clarity and Carat".

  I had a ring made for Mrs. Jake and the jeweler said that you don't need the big carrats for the bling, he suggested buying high quality smaller carrat sized diamonds, and making an arrangement of the larger and smaller diamonds. The last ring I bought off the internet and it is around 3.5 total carrats.
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  For a Jehovah's Witness, which causes more problems: a decorated tree, or a decorated woman?

  by I_love_Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  let's say that a brother, joe, is walking to kingdom hall and he passes a store display featuring a christmas tree.

  "wretched pagans!

  " he mutters to himself.

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  JakeM2012

  Personally, I always loved how the "pretty trees" were decorated and how attractive they were. Some women can wear a potato sack and still be sexy. There is beauty that cannot be covered up. Why did God make such beauty if we were not able to enjoy it, or at least be around it in a KH?
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  Musings

  by thedog1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  apropo of nothing, i just wanted to share some thoughts.

  i have started reading and posting here recently.

  i have previously mentioned that i am an active jw, an elder who conducts the wt study.

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  JakeM2012

  I'm sorry to hear the difficulties that your wife is experiencing. Tough decisions indeed. May you find peace for you and your family.
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  The Governing Body Have Stabbed Many Old Bethelites In The Back By Not Taking Care Of Them In Their Old Age

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  these guys are real company men when they have mass lay off of older bethelites tossing them to the curb and making the congregation they are assigned to carry some of the load, so that the watchtower corporation can cut costs of providing for these nolonger young people who have devoted theirs lives to the corporation.. they are heartless bastards aren't they?

  i wonder what kind of undercurrent this is causing at headquartes?.

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  JakeM2012

  I spoke with an ex bethelite that went to Brooklyn in the 1960's at 18-19 years old and they let him out when he was 60 years old. He is struggling to make a living. He said, "I'm not trying to be rebellious, but I believe that a formal education is a good thing".

  He indicated that he is in accounting and is not a CPA. Every Potential customer that comes in asks, "where did you go to college"? I don't know what his response to that is but I'll bet he is not telling them that he has read the Awake magazine for years and that is equal to a college education!