a few more of my thoughts on the subject...The "bible teach" book referring to the 144,000 said they would be resurrected during Jesus Presence. 1 cor 15:23 but each one in his own proper order: Christ the first fruits afterward theose who belong to the Christ during his presence. ( of which the claim is 1914 ) other translations say his coming or when he comes back. The last day and judgement day appear to be the same day from what bit of sorting out I have done. As far as Jesus ( coming back is concerned, 1Cor. 11: 26 For wheneveryou eat this loaf and drink this cup, you keep proclaiming the death of the Lord, until he comes. If one were to believe the JW teaching that Christ came in 1914, why are they still having memorial? If one were to believe the 1914 date, then that would be "the last day" for the claim is that is when he started resurrecting the "anointed' to heaven. Jesus plainly told his followers in the 6th chp of John that he would resurrect them on the "last day". Daniel was told that he would stand up for his part at the End of the days-which would be a last day. If any of my thinking is sound, it debunks 1914 and the faithful and discreet slave being anointed and going immedially to heaven when they die. As I am understanding it NO ONE gets resurrected until the last day when Jesus is evidently present That would also all the ones who have died and people think they are in heaven looking down upon them. /// Rev. 11 is about the 7th trumpet ( the last one ) vs 18 But the nations became wrathful and your own wrath came, and the appinted time came for the dead to be judged and to REWARD you slaves the prophets and the holy one and those fearing your name...and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth. 1 Cor 15:52 in a moment ,in the blink of an eye, DURING the LAST trumpet, For the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised up incorruptible and we will be changed....WE are here. Those ruining the earth are here! The last trumpet ( the 7th ) hasn't come about yet...so the last DAY isn't here ( I don't see Daniel ) So where I am sitting, I don't think the first resurrection has started where in immorality is put on, let alone the second resurrection. So much for my circular reasoning and ramblings.
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the sounding of the trumpet
by enoughisenough ini will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
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Who says the Pandemic didn't wake up a lot of people!
by pistolpete inthere are actually tons of these experiences.
i wanted to post this one because it involved all the family of born in jws.. post;.
all my freakn dreams came true.
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thank you for your post...When you know people who have died or otherwise been seriously injured, then you don't buy that false bill of goods when they are telling you to trust them because Jehovah trust them...( Bible says not to trust in "nobles" ) You won't back down when they are trying to tell you not to listen to conspiracy theories, because you know the truth of it. There is an article up on the webpage not to listen to conspiracy theories...They are parroting and protecting the crooked governments.
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Who says the Pandemic didn't wake up a lot of people!
by pistolpete inthere are actually tons of these experiences.
i wanted to post this one because it involved all the family of born in jws.. post;.
all my freakn dreams came true.
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I can't speak to the notion of wanting to make people magnetic, but the notion of vaccines and digital id isn't a new idea...https://www.biometricupdate.com/201909/id2020-and-partners-launch-program-to-provide-digital-id-with-vaccines Bill Gates said in a Ted talk in 2010 if they do a good job with planned parenthood, medical care, and vaccines, the could REDUCE the population by 10-15%... connect the dots...or not! There is a global agenda to reduce the world's population...research agenda 21 and 2030 ...governments around the world have agreed to earth's sustainablity...sounds good, but it includes that masses would have to die. Do your homework and make your own conclusions...I have... It is not secret that the vx have killed and crippled 10s of 1000s. (killed my sister and impaired her husband's health.)
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Who says the Pandemic didn't wake up a lot of people!
by pistolpete inthere are actually tons of these experiences.
i wanted to post this one because it involved all the family of born in jws.. post;.
all my freakn dreams came true.
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I guess those video makers with the spoons sticking to them were just liars. I guess the people who used the pet chip reader to find out they had an identifier after the vx were just liars....I am wacky and they are liarsand some of you uber smart... happy now?
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Who says the Pandemic didn't wake up a lot of people!
by pistolpete inthere are actually tons of these experiences.
i wanted to post this one because it involved all the family of born in jws.. post;.
all my freakn dreams came true.
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GabeAthouse...I saw those videos of people and the magnets sticking to them ...they didn't make that up. I also saw the videos of the blutooth app where the phone was showing up those who had been vaxxed. They weren't 1 off videos. Believe whatever suits you.
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Jehovah's Witnesses resume sidewalk carts after pandemic pause, soon will do door knocking
by Bangalore injehovah's witnesses resume sidewalk carts after pandemic pause, soon will do door knocking.. https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2022/08/05/jehovahs-witnesses-resume-sidewalk-carts-door-knocking-next-list/10168175002/.
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before waking up, I preferred the cart to D-D because It felt like a more productive use of time-which was important to me as I had to work to support myself and didn't actually get much time to go out. Here was the typical D_D saturday. Up early enough to get ready and go to service group by 9:30 ...arrangement made for groups, territory (10-15 minute ) outside in parking area lengthy discussion of where everyone wanted to meet for a break. (another 10minutes+- ) You are on your way to a territory that is at least 20 minutes out. Rural, houses not close together... by the time each in car group may have or may not have gotten a door to call on ( which was likely a not at home, it was time to leave the territory to drive back the approx half hour to get to the place where the groups had decided to meet for a break.( usually a bakery or donut shop ) They stand in line for bathrooms, coffee, snacks, then all sit in booths to eat and drink.. Because this process may have involved serving 8-10 people along with other clients, it would take up 1/2 -1 hour. Ok, does anyone have any calls to get on the way back to service group place ( going in at noon) because there isn't enough time to go back to the territory to work. So on a good Sat. morning you started getting ready 8:30 ish or before...you wouldn't get home until about 1 ish if you were coming back home. For all that time, you may have knock on one or two doors. At least with the cart, you saw people you could have a pleasant greeting with even if they weren't interested and just passing by. ( of course there were some who walked a wide girth around the cart. Another thing that often happened in the car group was someone hadn't eaten breakfast and wanted to go to a drive thru-but a couple of mornings I remember those in the group going to a restaurant for a full sit down breakfast, or someone had a sort errand they needed to do while they were out, or an emergency bathroom break for someone. Years and years ago I quit meeting after Sunday meeting for service-by the time everyone got their lunch and out into the territory ( miles away ) you only got a door or two and people were ready to go home.
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JWs are not allowed to "make sure of all things and hold on to that which is fine". The FINE as been dictated to them and they must believe it or else...even when it changes. They can't test it out and discuss it with others for they would be stirring up contentions ( not allowed ) The WT would fight for freedom of speech, yet sensor and punish their members if they are known to be speaking differently than what the GB says is fine. ( reminds me of school children: I don't like her. You are my friend and I don't like her, so if you like her, you are no longer my friend).
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the sounding of the trumpet
by enoughisenough ini will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
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Vidqun, I have understood there being 2 resurrections...but from the dots I had connected it appears to me that even that first resurrection wouldn't start until the last day.( instead of an ongoing resurrection as soon as people die ) Then I am wondering if the "judgement day" and the "last day" are the same time period. It seems to me they may be-some being judged righteous and having a part in the first resurrection.
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the sounding of the trumpet
by enoughisenough ini will risk showing my ignorance but i had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight.
jw teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven.
when lazarus had died martha said she knew he would rise on the last day.
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I will risk showing my ignorance but I had some questioning thoughts in my head lately...maybe those more scholarly than me have insight. JW teach that the anointed who now die go immediately to heaven. When Lazarus had died Martha said she knew he would rise on the last day. 1 Cor 15;52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during THE LAST TRUMPET. For the Trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed........54 "Death is swallowed up forever." a referred scripture 1 Thess 4:16 because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel's voice and with God's TRUMPET , and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. So here are some dots I am connecting that maybe aren't connected at all: Martha said LAST day, I Cor 15:52 says LAST Trumpet. To my way of thinking, and I stand to be corrected, it appears to me that the TRUMPET hasn't sounded yet. Death hasn't been swallowed up forever as far as I can discern! If the Trumpet did sound already, it has kept on tooting beings the JW teach the anointed who are now dieing go to heaven. ( actually Christendom teaches the dead go to heaven as well-whereas from where I am sitting, those who have died will stay in the grave until that LAST TRUMPET) editing in this scripture that lends to my thinking: John6: 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who recognizes the Son and exercises faith in him should have everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on THE LAST DAY. see also John 6:54, John 6:39, John 6:44, These scriptures support resurrection on THE LAST DAY--I see nothing that suggests there is an ongoing resurrection-as soon as someone with a "heavenly calling" dies and is immediateley resurrected to heaven.
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The real story on why The Watchtower society lost a Kingdom hall in Bonham ,Texas.!
by koolaid-man inwhat happened in bonham, texas?
: the body of elders and the majority of the congregation decided to leave the watch tower organization.
and with that, they took the kingdom hall.
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enoughisenough
I am having the thought that with many staying on zoom instead of going to the halls, there will be more consolidated halls, thereby freeing up more to sell off....just a thought, but it wouldn't surprise me...not a worry of mine as I no intention of ever going back and feel sorry for my "friends" who are so blinded. they don't know that "get out of her my people......'' applies to them. I did come to the conclusion I was sharing in her sins what with aiding and abetting and helping pay out the millions in law suits. Hide and watch!