Posts by enoughisenough

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why celebrate xmas?

by enoughisenough in

many on here are ex jw....they have left the jws because of coming to find out the many false indoctrinations.

one of the things learned as a jw is that there isn't anything true about xmas being the birth of jesus.

( matt chapter 2 tells a whole different narrative about the baby jesus than what is portrayed by the christian churches) they learn the ways that are celebrated are pagan practices jesus told the samaritan woman that god wanted to be worshipped in spirit and it truth.

enoughisenough

jhine, I grew up celebrating xmas. I took part in the church "pageants"...The way it was and still is depicted in nativity scenes is the babe in a manger and the animals and the wise men there with the STAR above. I also recall Santa being in the church and giving out candy. Matt 2 makes it plain the star didn't first lead to a manger but to King Herod who wanted to kill Jesus. When the "wise men" found Jesus, he was a young child in a house, not a babe in a manger as depicted in the church programs. The wise men ( magi or astrologers ) didn't report back to Herod because they were warned in a dream. Joseph took the family to Egypt because of a dream. Herod killed all baby boys in the districts from age 2 and under trying to make rid of Jesus.

peaceful pete, my view isn't sectarian bigotry of the WT, but from what/how I understand the story of Jesus birth as written in the Bible. Even without "pagan" background celebrations, the story isn't depicted correctly,

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why celebrate xmas?

by enoughisenough in

many on here are ex jw....they have left the jws because of coming to find out the many false indoctrinations.

one of the things learned as a jw is that there isn't anything true about xmas being the birth of jesus.

( matt chapter 2 tells a whole different narrative about the baby jesus than what is portrayed by the christian churches) they learn the ways that are celebrated are pagan practices jesus told the samaritan woman that god wanted to be worshipped in spirit and it truth.

enoughisenough

" As early as 125 CE Christians were celebrating Jesus' Birth." ....if important, why didn't the diciples? why wasn't the date recorded? It seems to me some JW go from one false doctrine to another. Then there are those who cease belief in God, Jesus, the Bible altogether. "Is the stopping of honoring old gods and the starting of honoring Jesus a sin?" --my question would be is it worshipping in spirit and in truth? and if not, what would you call it?

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why celebrate xmas?

by enoughisenough in

many on here are ex jw....they have left the jws because of coming to find out the many false indoctrinations.

one of the things learned as a jw is that there isn't anything true about xmas being the birth of jesus.

( matt chapter 2 tells a whole different narrative about the baby jesus than what is portrayed by the christian churches) they learn the ways that are celebrated are pagan practices jesus told the samaritan woman that god wanted to be worshipped in spirit and it truth.

enoughisenough

Many on here are ex JW....they have left the JWs because of coming to find out the many false indoctrinations. One of the things learned as a JW is that there isn't anything true about xmas being the birth of Jesus. ( Matt Chapter 2 tells a whole different narrative about the baby Jesus than what is portrayed by the Christian churches) They learn the ways that are celebrated are pagan practices Jesus told the Samaritan woman that God wanted to be worshipped in spirit and it truth. My question is, if you left JWs because of learning of false hoods, and you know God wants to be worshipped in truth, why would you practice xmas of which there is no truth in?

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Why do Jehovah's Witnesses attend so many meeting?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

ronald curzan ( helper to the teaching committee ) gives a talk on the real reasons jehovah's witnesses should attend meetings.

it looks like the zoom meetings have softened up many witnesses.

many are probably turning off their cameras and zoning out.

enoughisenough

they are lead to believe they must do it in order to prove they worship God. The spiritually weak are the ones who miss the meeting. They don't want to be seen as spiritually weak by the judgmental " brothers and sisters", but rather obedient to the GB. Also, they aren't allowed friends outside the cult, so they go to see the only friends they are allowed to have close association with ( and then they still have to be choosy)

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Can you answer my questions, please?

by Sandie in

i have three questions.

i would be most grateful if someone could respond for me, please.

thank you.. 1. can jehovah's witnesses practice faith with the bible as a guide, or is it crucial to include the teachings of the watchtower society?

enoughisenough

# 1 in 1935 the was the Walsh trial...you can find it online . 3 heavies ( Fred Franz, Grant Suitor, Hayden Covington.) at the WT testified that witnesses had to believe the WT without question over what the Bible said or they would be kicked out and Hayden Covington testified if you didn't believe the WT you were deserving of death. Everyone should read some their testimonies... I didn't know they existed until this year. If I had read it 50 years ago, my life would have been much different. (the same holds true today...you can't question what they teach...you become a filthy apostate the God is going to destroy. (filthy apostate is a description used by JW to describe ones who wake up to the lies of the WT)

#2 I never read where Jesus claimed to be God. I have read where he said the "Father is greater than I am" I have read where he claimed to be God's Son. I have read where Jesus is subjected to God ( 1 Cor 15:28 ) It becomes apparent that confusion has been the result of translation, or maybe it was written to confuse to start with. But I think throughout there is more evidence for a Father/Son relationship than for Jesus being almighty God. Even in creating man, it reads : let us make man in OUR image...( didn't say let me make man in my image )( Gen 1:26). There isn't anything really mysterious about a Father/son relationship, but it gets to be a real mystery to explain Jesus being God and not being able to do anything without his Father, and why would he subject himself to himself....( some will disagree- each to his own -some here don't even believe the Bible or in God) If I had never been a JW, I would still never have believed Jesus is God Almighty.

#3 per JW-the 144000 become sealed and their eternal life is guaranteed...but the others that survive or are resurrected have to endure the final test at the end of the 1000 years.

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Did it ever become unbearable to attend another Kingdom Hall meeting?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

it's becoming unbearable for me to attend another meeting.

i dread coming to the weekly sunday public talk and watchtower study.

the talks are ''repeats'' of a ''repeat.

enoughisenough

Maybe not a meeting, but the broadcast updates with c 19 and vx....that really ticked me off...they were laying guilt trips on people to coerce them into doing what they wanted them to do and saying it was God's or Jesus will. Just a twisting a scriptures .....

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What New Projects are Financed by the Governing Body ?

by smiddy3 in

jw
friends

are these projects going to be a noose around their neck that they won`t be able to fullfill their obligations ?.

and complete these projects ?.

enoughisenough

I would say they have the money to build it...they are worth billions and rake in more money everyday. The congregations are under obligation to send in x amount per publisher ( is that every month?) I think so. I saw a chart once and the US congregations pay if I remember, but don't take it to the bank , $8.75 per publisher ...even it you say it is $1 per publisher over the world, think of the money that generates a month. That doesn't count all other methods of getting money. That is one reason I decided to disassociate-I didn't want them to get the $8+ every month for my seat!

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The use of "Stumbled" as a Control Technique.

by Phizzy in

i thought about this when i read the expression in another thread, "someone was stumbled", they would never tell you who the person was, and simply used it to control you, or it got worse, some times it was "you might stumble someone" .. who were these stumbling loons of which they spoke ?

not only was it a control mechanism, it encouraged you to not be your real self, ever.. i liked the response of one of my jw relatives to this, where they expected him to change the person he was, he said "these people accusing me are not perfect are they ?

no, well then, they cannot expect perfection from me".

enoughisenough

As far as WT is concerned, I wondered what it would take to "stumble" me...I was married twice--both families were JW ( that's how I got involved to start with -another story) These families proved to be some of the most unprincipled, and often dishonest people I ever knew. My worldly relatives were more honorable! But I always thought I wasn't worshiping men, but rather God. So it took me 50 years to realize that the JW religion is a Con...It wasn't the bad behavior of other members that took me out, but the realization of lies that were told in the name of God Almighty by the GB. Thank you GB for exposing yourself so plainly that I woke up! The sad part is the GB have stumbled many to the point it has destroyed their lives.

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WT Ruining Members' Futures

by HiddlesWife in

what i mean by the title of this thread is what has happened to a relative of mine, one who is really upset about this factor:.

this relative is a distant cousin on my mother's side of the family.

she studied as a child and got baptized at 14 1/2 years old.

enoughisenough

for some reason I couldn't go back and edit what I wrote 30 minutes ago...It seems to me I came to learn that the society does provide a bit ( haven't a clue how much ) to retired circuit overseers. I learned it this way...I was told the retired CO that lived here locally didn't need the money and would donate it back to JW...I wondered at the time, why not give it to this widow of a deceased CO who had nothing but a suitcase of clothes. Maybe some could speak to the income of Circuit overseers and retired Circuit overseers. ( and what other titles did the JW support? missionaries? special pioneers? ?? because I don't know.

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WT Ruining Members' Futures

by HiddlesWife in

what i mean by the title of this thread is what has happened to a relative of mine, one who is really upset about this factor:.

this relative is a distant cousin on my mother's side of the family.

she studied as a child and got baptized at 14 1/2 years old.

enoughisenough

I knew a woman who was living on the kindnesses of others. She did some work but she was in poor health, so not like she could hold down a real job. I don't know her entire history so as to know how long she was married to a circuit overseer and in the work with him( and my understanding is he wasn't kind. ) She took care of him until he died and there was NOTHING for her. I think she ended up with the very lowest social security...She moved around a bit between those that would help her...I hope she found a good place...but the friends ( or someone) would definitely have to help her. While she was here, a sister spent her own inheritance helping her with a place to live and making up easy work for her ( this kind sister is barely able to care for herself at times) There is nothing for those who accept greenhandshakes and live on the kudos of others once they get older and turned out to pasture. In the Bible, the widows were to be taken care of if they didn't have family to see about them...there isn't any program for assisting in the JW...if you don't have family, just get the social services and don't forget to donate! I used to think it wonderful that after disasters the brothers would go and repair homes...I didn't know the end game was to collect homeowner's insurance.