I listen to youtube videos while I work. I recently listened to an ex elder who mentioned back in the 80's the elder schools were training the elders to be kind to the sheep and not just go along with all of the other elders if they knew they were correct in something( short story-he was disfellowshipped because of his stand in being helpful to try to prosecute a pedophile ) In another video I listened to by an ex elder, he said the training school was all about following the guidelines of the GB and supporting the organization. In listening to these videos I came to the conclusion that over the years the focus of the elder school was to more fully indoctrinate the elders to trust the GB instead of a Bible trained conscience. Some of you who went to those schools may speak to my conclusion...
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Somehow I think nobody read the memo!
by LostintheFog1999 ini came across an old notebook of mine when we were spring cleaning our attic space.. for some reason i had written down these two references from older wt magazines.. reading over the two of them now i can only think that elders didn't pay any attention to the message either at the time or since.
*** w75 8/1 p. 474 par.
14 elders presiding in a fine way ***.
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Pioneer Hours Update
by Bartolomeo inregular pioneers: 600 per year, 50 on average per month.auxiliary pioneers: 30 hours per monthauxiliary pioneers in march and april: fee reduced to 15 hours.
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enoughisenough
in regard to the 1943 WT requirements, I read somewhere that the brothers were bulking at field service, but some had no problem with speaking from the pulpit. So the Lord settles the matter and everyone has an assignment. The thought about the war may have had some bearing , but if you want to build up a publishing empire, just require everyone to preach. ( sell the literature ) What I find interesting is how The Lord informed them-seems like he spoke directly to them the way it is written . Everyone who is studying today should see this publication so they would know why they need to get out there! I was thinking the people were very gullible to buy the Lord telling them such requirements, but then they buy the God knows they should trust the GB and let poison be injected.
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Pioneer Hours Update
by Bartolomeo inregular pioneers: 600 per year, 50 on average per month.auxiliary pioneers: 30 hours per monthauxiliary pioneers in march and april: fee reduced to 15 hours.
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enoughisenough
In a WT article in 1943 July , I think pages204-206 The "Lord" told told them the hours for pioneers, aux pioneers and publishers. The "Lord" changes his mind-how many times do these hours need to change? Anyway, a search will find the archived WT and you can read for yourself what the "Lord" told them.
https://ia600902.us.archive.org/5/items/WatchtowerLibrary/magazines/w/w1943
I think I have the address correct. Sorry, that content isn't available NOW - I just checked it. bummer
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Letter to my JW elder brother
by Roger Kirkpatrick ini sent the following letter to my older brother, a jw elder in grand prairie, texas, who actively shuns me since i left the religion for conscientious reasons two years ago.. may 11, 2017. dear ronnie,.
in the opening scenes of the movie gone with the wind, a field worker hollers out, “”quttin’ time!” big sam protests, saying, “i’s da fo’man on tara.
i sez when it’s quittin’ time.
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enoughisenough
you mentioned you weren't disfellowshipped...your brother may see you reasoning and want to communicate with you, or he could throw you under the bus and some Faithful Elders start to hunt you down to bring you to their justice....don't be surprised. I have watched youtube videos of those who thought they successfully faded only to be rudely awakened by the WT mafia and officially shunned.
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Front row seats watching the collapse of watchtower
by Indoubtbigtime ini’m a pimo ministerial servant and i won’t fade because i want to keep my front row seats watching what happens next few years.. my predictions are that this current governing body will slowly die off and the current younger helpers will be the next gb.
they will eventually have new light that they were wrong about 1914 and the overlapping generations.. the new light will be something on the lines of the last days are now because of king of north king of south pushing each other etc etc.
they will do their very best to burry old literature and try to change the past trying to make it sound like they were right all along just as they have done for 150 years now.
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Hddleswife and Hellothere....they HAVE already taken the poison against their own common sense because of what they heard on the broadcast. As one person told me, " you have to obey the GB," to which I replied," not if they are telling you the wrong thing. There is a bit of history of bad things happening to those who listen to the GB...1975 in more recent history. I remember reading about, but not the date, when the end of the world was predicted and many witness farmers didn't plant their wheat they depended on for a living, so they had no crops for income. So we see history repeating itself in the the sheep suffer from following the GB. ( but many still won't wake up!
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Front row seats watching the collapse of watchtower
by Indoubtbigtime ini’m a pimo ministerial servant and i won’t fade because i want to keep my front row seats watching what happens next few years.. my predictions are that this current governing body will slowly die off and the current younger helpers will be the next gb.
they will eventually have new light that they were wrong about 1914 and the overlapping generations.. the new light will be something on the lines of the last days are now because of king of north king of south pushing each other etc etc.
they will do their very best to burry old literature and try to change the past trying to make it sound like they were right all along just as they have done for 150 years now.
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they will go on -as movie stars! Actually I think they will survive because it is in the interest (somehow) for their handlers...don't know who the puppeteers are. I am thinking the WEF is somehow involved and the UN. I think that movie studio is being build for the purpose of the united world church that is being promoted....( just my own conspiracy so don't get too excited.) Anyway, the men at the top ( deep state, cabal, whatever) speak of a new world order. I first heard that term in the WT. coincidence? Now if things do go sideways, they will blame it on apostates who slipped in and did the writing. So after the current old men die off, the newbies will likely make some changes and declare the old GB apostates. After all if Russel were alive today with his beliefs, he would be labeled apostate! I know, my crystal ball is cloudy! lol
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Got ALetter!
by Biahi inso, my daughter got a letter from a female jw, containing a tract.
i want to respond to this woman, in a kind way.
she included a phone number, and email, return address is the kh.
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Biahi...just one zinger--I think in order to get to that zinger, you would need to learn what might push her buttons. In hat view, she needs to think she is winning -in other words, a playing along ....
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Is or was JEHOVAH GOD partial , and still is ?
by smiddy3 ini mean for the fact that he only dealt with and chose one body of people ?.
whatabout all of the other bodies of people all around the earth at that time ?.
apparently he didn`t care much for them !.
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I believe it was his friendship with Abraham that precluded the nation he chose...and as was mentioned, others could convert ( the Ruth, Rahab, to name a couple.)
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Got ALetter!
by Biahi inso, my daughter got a letter from a female jw, containing a tract.
i want to respond to this woman, in a kind way.
she included a phone number, and email, return address is the kh.
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enoughisenough
If you have the time and desire, go for it. if you think the person won't recognize you as an apostate, maybe meet or ask for study...so as to hopefully deprogram! if you can find some talking points in the tract that you know you can disprove, or as a jump off point to something you can disprove, why not call and say you have some thoughts on the tract. nothing ventured, nothing gained.
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it’s all in person and only fully vaxed can go
by Indoubtbigtime in2023 will see a big push to get rank and file back to in person meetings and ministry.
they have opened a can of worms with zoom but what they really want is only in extreme illnesses cases can someone use zoom .
the only problem is they want everyone fully vaccinated which means if you didn’t go for your latest booster in the last several months then you are no longer fully vaccinated and just the same as someone who never accepted any shots right from the start.
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Indoubtbigtime, if you want to go to that school, you should look into mind control and group think. Studies have shown people will have doubts about what they know is true given certain situations. In a group, a test may go like this: 15 people are shown a red color. You say red, and the other 14 declare black...the test subject doubts his own eyes or otherwise wants to conform with the group, so he changes his answer from red to black. That is partly how the JW enslave so many. In the meetings, there is group think. People parrot what is on the page and aren't allowed by the conductor to go off script. So falsehoods printed on the page aren't allowed to be questioned and the majority go along with what is printed. Try it in real time in a meeting and see for yourself! ( foreseeing a trip to the back room! )The point of this is you won't learn anything new at the school, but just become more indoctrinad by group think, I watched one ex elder speak about how a school he went to was about trusting the organization and the GB and staying in line with that. Here is a place you can question something: along about memorial time, question Matt 26:28 where it says Jesus blood if for the forgiveness of sins for the many ( not only 144,000) or question as to whether Jesus is your mediator or not....