Posts by enoughisenough

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Underage child: PIMI vs PIMO parents rights

by psyco in

i am a pimo, inactive, parent of an underage child.

i was wondering what rights i have in regards to avoid that my child will be baptized when still underage, not having read the entire bible and before being able to clearly evaluate all the alternatives and consequences (like it happened to me) whereas the other pimi parent has all the rights to do it.

any experiences about children in a pimi vs pimo parents situation?

enoughisenough

tell your child to wait...Jesus wasn't baptized until he was 30. Also, the jW had a video a few years ago showing disfellowshipped kids calling home but no response...let them know that is how the pimi parent would treat them if they should get disfellowshipped or decide to leave. People don't seem to think it could ever be them. Also discuss with them, they aren't getting baptized for Jehovah and Jesus. Find a copy of the latest "question" and explain it is a legal contract giving the JWs control over their life, that they are really dedicating to men rather than God.

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Christ's Brothers

by enoughisenough in

cooperate with christ’s representatives.

shortly before his death, jesus mentioned another way in which we can follow his leadership.

he said: “he that receives anyone i send receives me also.” (john 13:20) in fact, jesus spoke of his anointed representatives as his “brothers.” (matt.

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Cooperate With Christ’s Representatives

Shortly before his death, Jesus mentioned another way in which we can follow his leadership. He said: “He that receives anyone I send receives me also.” (John 13:20) In fact, Jesus spoke of his anointed representatives as his “brothers.” (Matt. 25:40) After Jesus had been resurrected to the heavens, his “brothers” were appointed to act in his place, “substituting for Christ” as ambassadors inviting others to become reconciled to Jehovah God. (2 Cor. 5:18-20) Our recognizing Christ’s leadership involves submission to his “brothers.” ( this from WT 11/5/15 pg26,27 ) Why am I post this? They use Matt 25:40 to support the anointed and tells us to be submissive. Today, we understand the parable of the sheep and the goats clearly. We know that “the Son of man,” or “the King,” is Jesus. The King’s “brothers” are those who are anointed with holy spirit and who will rule in heaven with Jesus. (Romans 8:16, 17) “The sheep” and “the goats” are people from all nations. They will be judged toward the end of the great tribulation that will soon begin. And we know that Jesus will judge people according to how they have treated the anointed ones who are still on earth. We are so grateful that Jehovah has helped us over the years to understand this parable and the other parables in Matthew chapters 24 and 25! ( March 2015 study edition-Loyally supporting Christ's brothers. Now note what Mark 3:35 says :King James Bible

For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother. /// so I guess only 144000 out of all mankind can do God's will! (a bit of sarcasm Here!) Anyway this is another example of how the JW cherry pick scriptures to support the hierarchy over the rank and file. So if you type in Matt 25:40 into a search at JW org, a become Jehovah's friend video will show up ...a song and other info for parents to use with the kids. ( I didn't go to far into that material, but it is indoctrinating the kids to support the "anointed"-which I find rather disgusting these days.)

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The Mandalorian is an Apostate

by neat blue dog in

i wonder how many jws will squirm watching the upcoming 3rd season of mandalorian in which out of compassion he was obliged to break certain rules of his religion and is now labeled an apostate.

awkward!.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l6ye7fue220.

enoughisenough

piggy backing onto ThomasMore's comment...at Mark 3:21, Jesus family thought him out of his mind...they didn't have faith in him. To speak against the GB makes you an apostate and you will be shunned. We don't read where Jesus considered his family apostates and shunned them.

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Does Jehovah have a visible organization?

by Vanderhoven7 in

why do jehovah’s witnesses say they are god’s organization so matter of factly as though such an audacious claim is an undisputable fact?

here is how one person sees this claim.. "the entire jehovah’s witness religion is founded on unsubstantiated hubristic claims which are continually repeated until they are assumed by adherents to be a proven fact.. never is this more evident than when the beliefs of a jehovah’s witness are successfully challenged.

the more compelling the evidence against them, the more they resort to repeating their convictions with a sense of insistence, as if they are chanting a mantra.. confirmation bias is prevalent in all religious ideologies, but particularly with jehovah’s witnesses.

enoughisenough

watcher---who else....angel in midheaven with everlasting good news---and not WT lies! If the rocks end up crying out, I bet they won't be liars either.

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Does Jehovah have a visible organization?

by Vanderhoven7 in

why do jehovah’s witnesses say they are god’s organization so matter of factly as though such an audacious claim is an undisputable fact?

here is how one person sees this claim.. "the entire jehovah’s witness religion is founded on unsubstantiated hubristic claims which are continually repeated until they are assumed by adherents to be a proven fact.. never is this more evident than when the beliefs of a jehovah’s witness are successfully challenged.

the more compelling the evidence against them, the more they resort to repeating their convictions with a sense of insistence, as if they are chanting a mantra.. confirmation bias is prevalent in all religious ideologies, but particularly with jehovah’s witnesses.

enoughisenough

When I told my friend that I didn't believe the witnesses had the truth, the response was, " I know this is Jehovah's organization"... I sometimes watch Mark Martin and in one of his videos I recall him going through a study article and pointing out how many times the work organization was used through out the study. It was amazing the amount of reinforcement ( and group think ) that is promoted in the study. (another subject he compared in a study was how many times the GB or faithful slave was mentioned in the study compared to Jesus..I think Jesus was mentioned twice. ) I also remember it being brought out years ago to take some time out of each Bible study with people to introduce them to facets of the organization.(was there a brochure to bring out? I can't remember but I think so.

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new covenant and covenate for a kingdom

by enoughisenough in

posting a video i watched which shows plainly how the nwt changed the words in luke 22:29 to support the idea that the new covenant was for members of 144000. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf13plotjog.

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waton...a lot of text in that video ...she shows the interlinear word for word from Bible Hub to show that the NWT translated 2 different Greek words covenant. One in Luke 22:20 and the other ( Luke22:29 which shouldn't be translated covenant. Then she uses an example in Hebrews. So even if you can't hear it, you can follow the text for the most part. There is other info as well.

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things shelved, not looked into because of group think

by enoughisenough in

here are some things i never really believed the jw taught...i just didn't really examine it closely.

i shelved it, so to speak, thinking no one is perfect and they know more than me...if i ever thought about it at all.. i never believed that only jws would be spared at armageddon.

i never believed the where in james, you went to the elders to confess being spiritually sick-always thought that referred to a real illness.

enoughisenough

LongHairGal " lack of real concern caused these things to be shelved"--you got that ! I think about the overlapping generation thing and how it didn't/doesn't make sense, and yet I didn't give it much concern...it should have been screaming out to me.

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new covenant and covenate for a kingdom

by enoughisenough in

posting a video i watched which shows plainly how the nwt changed the words in luke 22:29 to support the idea that the new covenant was for members of 144000. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf13plotjog.

enoughisenough

posting a video I watched which shows plainly how the NWT changed the words in Luke 22:29 to support the idea that the new covenant was for members of 144000. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf13PLOTjog

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Musings About...Spirit Beings

by titch in

folks: this topic might seem a little "out there in left field.

" but it might be something to think about, or perhaps it's something that you have wondered about in the past.

i know that i sometimes wondered about it, , even when i was "in" the jw organization.

enoughisenough

Seems there is good verses evil in the spirit world as well. Some seem to be stronger than others because in Dan 10: 13 the angel had wanted to come to Daniel but the prince of the royal realm of Persia opposed him for 21 days until Michael came to help him. ( interesting point considering JW teaching-Michael is referred to as "one of the foremost princes" - JW will teach you Michael is Jesus ) So it would appear some spirit creatures like to lord it over nations! ( makes sense if you believe the Bible where Satan showed Jesus the kingdoms of the world. ) I personally do believe there are wicked spirit creatures.

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Bait and Switch "Bible studies"

by Vanderhoven7 in

mark jones, a witness for over 30 years describes what jws call bible studies offered to the public.. .

"they (jehovah's witnesses) offer you a free home “bible” study - which turns out to be a study of a watchtower publication with the bible brought out as an afterthought to try and prop up whatever current idea the governing body are claiming is “the truth” this week.. i think it’s underhanded.. when my parents became jehovah’s witnesses and they offered people a free home “bible” study, this is what they brought to study with them:.

what, did you think they were going to study the bible with you?.

enoughisenough

I never had a Bible study...The family I was marrying into were JW and it was expected of me to get baptized. My spouse and I studied the questions for baptism like questions for a test so we could have the right answers for the elders. I didn't have an issue with it at the time because I had been going to the meetings and felt like I was learning things from the Bible. I had read the Truth book and it seemed logical to me. I will say, this family was a very unprincipled family.