Jesus likened death to sleep ( could it be you are conscience of everything while you are asleep?)and Martha knew her brother would be asleep in the grave until the last day. ( which hasn't happened yet )
enoughisenough
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Ecclesiastes 9:5 -"the dead know nothing at all"
by aqwsed12345 inthe narrator of the book of ecclesiastes had very little knowledge of many things that jesus and his apostles later preached.
the author does not make statements, but only wonders (thinks, observes, often raises questions, and leaves them open).
he looked at the world based on the law of moses and found nothing but vanity, as the earthly reward promised in the law did not always accompany good deeds and earthly punishment for evil deeds.
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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology
by Sea Breeze inhere’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.
why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?
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enoughisenough
It is amazing how ones cherry pick what they want to or want you to believe, without taking in the context of surrounding verses or the Bible as a whole. ( I see lots of examples on this topic, but won't bore you ......)
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JWs Using the system
by XBEHERE ini have it on good authority from a friend living near warwick that many bethelites filed for covid-19 economic relief from the us govt.
he said that one bethelite actually told him that they were being instructed to file some sort of income, not sure of the logistics of that with the vow of poverty and all, but if they did that then they would qualify for economic relief.
basically getting thousands of dollars for free.
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enoughisenough
somewhere along the line, I learned they filed for medicaid...which I found appalling because I thought WT took care of their workers. Well, it stands to reason to me that they would instruct to get the covid relief because then they could expect even more donations from their workers ( which was something else I found appalling-it wasn't enough they were giving their life to the org for a little bit a month, but they expected some of it back in donations. I even saw a posting of a game court for the bethelites with a sign that it cost to keep the court and so for them to donate. It is amazing what you learn once you are willing to take off the blinders. As to using the system, it was recently shown how the elders were to provide listings of governmental social services to those in need.
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Watchtower Says Their Writings Are Part of the Bible and Are Essential For Salvation
by Sea Breeze inhard to believe, but it's true:watchtower december 15, 2008, pg.
28 – “our coming to know "the truth‟ - the entire body of christian teachings that has become part of the bible - and adhering to it are essential for our salvation”.this is the same position of the roman catholic church.
one of the pope’s titles is the vicar of christ.
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enoughisenough
They haven't changed since the Walsh Trial of 1954. The Watchtower is to take precedence over the Bible. If that weren't so, many of us wouldn't be here. We came to realize we were to revere the WT and not believe our lying eyes when we saw something in the Bible that contradicted the WT. It was brought out at the trial, those who didn't believe the WT were deserving of death. Everyone who studies with the JW should read some of those trial exerts. -
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Hailstone message.....June 23 WT
by mikeflood innew jun 23 wt....elders to follow gideon example, even if instructions doesn't seems practical, gideon reduced army by 99 % and he obeyed, it could be changes in theocratic direction similar to this.
what that means?.
elders will need the courage to follow instructions "may relate to delivering a symbolic hailstone message...".. in another section "major world events may raise some from spiritual slumber".
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enoughisenough
Rev 16:21 21 From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds,[a] fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible. ///is this the scripture they base the idea of them preaching a hailstone message? It cross reference to Job 38:22,23 which speaks about the store houses of snow and hail saved up for the time of distress, For the day of battle and war. ///I always took that literally rather than thinking anything we said would make a dent. It is just more conjecture for those still gullible to devour.
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WEASEL WORDS--WHAT ARE THEY--HOW THE WTS USES
by blondie in"a number of techniques employed to mislead others fall under the category of weasel words, and this article quotes examples that are regularly found in watchtower publications.. weasel words are defined as:.
“words or statements that are intentionally ambiguous or misleading,”[1].
intended “to avoid answering a question clearly or to make someone believe something that is not true."[2].
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enoughisenough
There are a few of ex jw on youtube that have brought this out. I remember thinking about some paragraphs in the WT as conjecture and thinking it goes beyond what was written, but that thought just ran off like water on a duck's back...now I see what a fool I was made.
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Jesus wasn't ( isn't if inside org ) your mediator and blood of the covenant for 144000
by enoughisenough ini found this questions from readers: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1989609?fbclid=iwar0cbmrtiyrknsggtnizkwuwfxunlalws6vog87eke_c4marr_drps8nywk....it makes very plain that jesus is only the mediator for the 144000 and while jesus said at matt 26:28 that the new covenant is for forgiveness of sin, the article makes it plain that the new covenant is a legality between god and the 144000. i have some thoughts already on this and i have started a document with this article.
i would like appreciate any rebuttal thoughts you have on the article as well.
this is one thing i have woke up to...the jw will start with a scripture, and then wrap a lot of other scriptures into the article so the rank and file think what great bible scholars and that they aren't that studious and so they swallow the falsehoods hook, line, and sinker.
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enoughisenough
I found this questions from readers: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1989609?fbclid=IwAR0CBMRTIyRKnSGgTNiZkwuWFXunLALWs6vOg87EKe_c4MarR_drpS8nYWk....It makes very plain that Jesus is only the mediator for the 144000 and while Jesus said at Matt 26:28 that the new covenant is for forgiveness of sin, the article makes it plain that the new covenant is a legality between God and the 144000. I have some thoughts already on this and I have started a document with this article. I would like appreciate any rebuttal thoughts you have on the article as well.
This is one thing I have woke up to...the JW will start with a scripture, and then wrap a lot of other scriptures into the article so the rank and file think what great Bible scholars and that they aren't that studious and so they swallow the falsehoods hook, line, and sinker. ( late case in point is Flodine breakfast talk where he wove in how the GB were liken to the voice of Jesus.
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Do Your Own Research.
by LostintheFog1999 inthere were several times when i was inside the congregation that i met up with a problem in my life and on mentioning it at a group i would be told to do my own research about it.. of course, they didn't mean for me to research worldly material for the answer but to use the wt indexes and look into the wt society magazines.. it was only when i started to do my own research outside of the wt that i began to see the limited scope of the society's magazines as all problems usually fell into the category of 1. read the bible, attend meetings, go out on the work, and pray; or 2. this isn't going to be fixed now but in the new world god will sort it out and the former things (what you are suffering from now) will not be called to mind.. i wonder how many people still in are struggling and are not being encouraged to research away from the organisation where they would receive practical and valuable advice?.
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enoughisenough
I am not still in, but I think more than ever they are encouraged to research within-being told as they tell the public, go to JW.org and the online library. See, they have even made the research easier that way.
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New System
by Gman2001 injehovah has to kill 9 billion humans in the big a. does anyone remember any talks on the actual logistics of "day 2"?
with no infrastructure it sounds like gb style madmax..
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enoughisenough
Gman2001 -what do you mean no infrastructure? Don't you know there will be Ramapo producing videos to teach everyone where they came from and where they are going? And the JW s will be living in the fine homes they picked out while working D2D.
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Mistakes made by GB.
by Hellothere in"the governing body is neither inspired nor infallible.
therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction".
i know this subject been talked about before.
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enoughisenough
Rattigan350 you tell me as you are the one who wrote:They were inspired by God because they got their ideas from the Bible.